Rebecca: 0:00

I feel like I'm so, I sound like some asshole person right now, just

Jamie: 0:06

well, you've just, you've

Rebecca: 0:07

on spiritual

Jamie: 0:08

you've said nourishment a lot for Rebecca, and so that is

Rebecca: 0:12

really gross. It's really gross and I don't mean it like that.

Jamie: 0:15

you absolutely mean it like that, but it's just not every day that I hear you talking about spiritual nourishment.

0:26

I am Jamie. And I'm Rebecca. Welcome to the Burnout Collective.

Jamie: 0:34

testing. All right. It's working. Is this gonna be the beginning of the episode? sure. That works for me. Hi, Rebecca.

Rebecca: 0:42

hi Jamie. Welcome back everyone to season two of the Burnout Collective. We had a break and we are so excited to be back with you. Things are gonna be a little bit different this time around. we have switched from recording live to prerecorded. We will still be releasing our episodes. We're gonna be releasing every other week everywhere you get your podcasts.

Jamie: 1:03

We are recording this on New Year's Eve motherfuckers, so it'll be ready. We're hope What? We're hoping to have this to January 6th on Tuesday. The first Tuesday of the new year. 2026.

Rebecca: 1:17

And just to give you a little bit of background, one of the reasons why we needed to take a break, for me, I was at basically my wit's end as far as stress and ironically burnout.

Jamie: 1:30

Were you burnt out? You burnt out

Rebecca: 1:31

a little bit, just a little bit burnt out. I think poor boundaries with work, poor boundaries with life, poor boundaries, just in general. I was totally, I was just done. and I, I needed a break. I needed to rest and recharge. if I'm honest, I could probably be on forever vacation. but we do have to live lives, so, but, but Jamie and I talked

Jamie: 1:55

vacation.

Rebecca: 1:56

forever vacation. I think that's just dying though.

Jamie: 2:00

Oh, so far we're starting the new year off very positively. Or like it can't be any worse. Oh, I wish I could die.

Rebecca: 2:07

I was just a wreck. I was tired, I was done. so we followed our own advice and stepped back and I think I've gotten a better handle on it. seeing a therapist still medicated, making sure I'm just doing everything that you're supposed to do every day. but yeah, happy to be back excited. This was definitely a creative, part of us that I know we both missed.

Jamie: 2:31

Yeah, definitely. it's just been a great outlet and you know, get just to chat with you and. Share it with everybody else, which is awesome.

Rebecca: 2:41

Yeah, so kind of in that same vein, what we wanted to go over today and wanted to talk about was different ways to rest.

Jamie: 2:49

The different types of rest.

Rebecca: 2:51

yes. I know a lot of people go into the new year, new year, new me. I'm going to eat better and work out more, which is so stupid because by the third week of January everyone's

Jamie: 3:03

Workout less, eat more.

Rebecca: 3:05

the, to that's the Tous mantra.

Jamie: 3:06

Yeah. Basically it's,

Rebecca: 3:09

But really, instead of just like launching yourself into it, and throwing yourself right into the deep end of burnout. focusing on the way that you rest and the way you incorporate rest into your life, I think is really important and not something that a lot of us are talking about.

Jamie: 3:24

We're not good at resting. And if you think about it, like, I just wonder you listeners at home, when you think about different types of rests, like how many do you think of, you know, I think I kind of thought of just two or three types of rests, but there are like seven major types of rest and each one serves a different purpose. And sometimes you need to, I think we need to be practicing multiple different types of rest at once in some cases.

Rebecca: 3:53

just turning into the Tor the Torah podcast where eat more, exercise less. can rest in so many different ways.

Jamie: 3:59

At least we're not starting off a season two with another episode of things we hate. Because that was, I think that was the common thread in all of season one.

Rebecca: 4:09

Listen. We honestly though,

Jamie: 4:12

Oh, it was great. I'm

Rebecca: 4:13

have, if we ever wanna do another podcast, we could just do things I hate.

Jamie: 4:17

Ooh. Things we hate, hate things with us. What is it? Isn't there a word when, you know, you become friends with somebody, there should be a word for when you become friends with somebody because you have a common hatred of something,

Rebecca: 4:31

There's got to be a German word

Jamie: 4:33

right? Yeah, for sure. German,

Rebecca: 4:36

there's Onewe, Z, Z, Z. You know what? I'm not gonna try to say it, but that's like a purpose friendship. So formed over a specific reason, such as a shared negative goal, like hating

Jamie: 4:47

Oh, that's good. So wait, what is it again? Z

Rebecca: 4:50

shaft shaft

Jamie: 4:57

Well, that's, that's the title of the episode. Perfect.

Rebecca: 4:59

that just rolls off the tongue. That's just, yeah, anything that starts with the zw is, you know, You actually sent this to me a while back too. I think someone you follow had posted talking about this, and then you like deep dived into the whole,

Jamie: 5:15

Oh yeah, yeah. A long time ago. I think this was kind of even something that we had talked about early on in season one, just like between us, we didn't do an episode about it, but it as like an idea for an episode and then it kind of just came up again as we were talking about, you know, what's our first episode for season two gonna be? and this came up and we were both really into it and it just poured out of us. So we're like, oh, this is perfect. The different types of rest and how we can rest. So the first, the first major type of rest, of course is physical rest, right? So that's the most obvious one. Resting your body. Um. I know that might not always mean like being perfectly still, but just like resting your body in a different way and, not necessarily like your mind or anything else. You know, I know some people say like, I'm gonna have a no bones day. and it's just about, you know, maybe warming up your body and just being gentle,

Rebecca: 6:09

Especially with like autoimmune disorders there are days, there are literally no bones day when nothing feels good. And so just even incorporating to your point, like that gentle movement and just, oh, I almost said honoring your body. And

Jamie: 6:23

Oh,

Rebecca: 6:24

I stopped. I stopped myself.'cause that sounds terrible, but

Jamie: 6:28

no. That is what it is. I thought you were saying I stopped myself.'cause that made me emotional

Rebecca: 6:33

oh no, I stopped myself'cause that almost made me gag, but sure. We'll go with

Jamie: 6:37

that's the same thing, Rebecca being emotional. Rebecca gagging, you know?

Rebecca: 6:42

I see a trainer twice a week because I have, LS Danlos, and so we work on building up muscle to support my joints. and there are days when I'm in pain and I can't, and so those are days where we just do, she calls it gentle movement, where it's just, it's kind of stretching the parts that hurt and just warming up everything, but not going hard and making it feel okay to do that too. I know a lot of people struggle with it or they feel lazy, but it's really, it's really not.

Jamie: 7:13

it's not. I think we, that's like another thing with, I always go back to keeping your house clean and keeping up at the house.'cause that's something that like I can struggle with, especially if my mental health's in the shitter,

Rebecca: 7:25

there are days where you don't wanna get outta bed.

Jamie: 7:27

And I'm

Rebecca: 7:27

raw dogging? I was gonna say raw dogging unmedicated for this episode.

Jamie: 7:32

wait. Are you unmedicated?

Rebecca: 7:34

I found a stray Ritalin in my drawer earlier today, but that's about it.

Jamie: 7:39

Why are you unmedicated?

Rebecca: 7:41

I'm not, I'm medicated for mentally, but like as far as the A DHD goes,

Jamie: 7:45

Oh, you're

Rebecca: 7:46

I haven't taken my A DHD meds for almost two weeks.

Jamie: 7:49

Oh, Jesus.

Rebecca: 7:50

I'm on vacation.

Jamie: 7:51

still I would take it on vacation, but I guess you're right. I get it.

Rebecca: 7:56

Yeah. You had massage on here too, which I thought was really interesting. because again, a lot of people think about moving their body as exercise, but actually massage is a great way for that physical rest. Yep. Helping reset it.

Jamie: 8:09

Going to get a mani-pedi. You know

Rebecca: 8:12

no,

Jamie: 8:13

what? What? It's gotta be

Rebecca: 8:14

Well, okay. You like, yeah, you like the touchy ones.

Jamie: 8:18

Excuse

Rebecca: 8:19

like the touchy massages.

Jamie: 8:20

me. You

Rebecca: 8:20

or like touchy manis where they like do the rubs and the stones and all that.

Jamie: 8:25

listen, when I went with you to that amazing place that I need to go back to, I loved it. It's the best fucking nail salon. Sponsor us, whatever, Jackie's salon in Portland, Oregon. I don't know what it is. but no, that was the first time I had a hot stone massage. they did it on our feet and our calves. That was nearly orgasmic. That was, I thought that was amazing. But I also love like deep hard,

Rebecca: 8:55

Hard touching.

Jamie: 8:57

I love hard touching. Yeah, no, I love like, you know, like deep tissue massages.

Rebecca: 9:03

I used to not like massages, but I've been seeing someone, it's not massage and it's not like physical therapy, but it's kind of like a mixture in between you know, he sticks your, his hand up under your rib cage and feels like what's outta place and

Jamie: 9:14

Is it like more chiropractor, kind of,

Rebecca: 9:16

No, not even that. It's just again, especially'cause things go out of joint. Like he kind of helps put like put things back in place. And I say, I'm saying that and I'm not explaining it it's like phy, no, it's like physical. What is it called? I dunno. it's not like the neck snapping thing. It's just it's like massaging, but also feeling like my shoulder blade is out of place and like helping maneuver that back. I feel like I'm

Jamie: 9:40

Maneuvering not

Rebecca: 9:41

feel like I'm not selling this, it makes me just uncomfortable enough to know that it's legit.

Jamie: 9:46

It's like reiki.

Rebecca: 9:47

But yeah, so no massage is a great, is a great one.

Jamie: 9:50

he's a witch. He's doing witchcraft on your body.

Rebecca: 9:54

Obviously the next one is mental. I mean, that's that we talk about that constantly. We talk about mental rest and mental health.

Jamie: 10:01

Mental breakdowns.

Rebecca: 10:02

Mm-hmm.

Jamie: 10:03

yeah. Giving your mind a break.

Rebecca: 10:05

For some of us that looks like listening to 36 audio books in two weeks,

Jamie: 10:10

a week and a half. She did it in a week and a half. You guys, she's lying. She's a freak.

Rebecca: 10:14

or playing games just like kind of zoning out on games.

Jamie: 10:19

Dissociating. Fuck yes.

Rebecca: 10:22

some people meditate,

Jamie: 10:25

I, listen, I couldn't meditate for the longest time because, you know, our brains are always squirrel, squirrel, brain. but just in this last month, I think it's because I've been sick like all of December. Basically. I got sick twice for long periods of time, knocked me out. I think I was bored. And also for a couple of the sicknesses, like I was having trouble sleeping. It was like three in the morning and I couldn't sleep when I was sick. I had like a really bad headache stemming from like sinus shit. And I was on YouTube Oh no, it was restless leg. So I eventually got, had like restless leg syndrome going on as well while I was sick. And so I was on YouTube and I was like meditation for restless leg syndrome because I just like, I wanted something specific that was going to like address this thing and fix me. It's like a new notebook basically. And It did help. And now I've kind of been on, I got six months of free headspace, so I've been doing Headspace and I have to say I don't do it every day. I don't do it every single night. But there was like a while, while I was sick I did, but I do a meditation sometimes. It's just like a quick like body scan meditation, that's it. I've also done, they have like sleep casts where they tell these stories where someone's just, and honestly, I need to know who gets to write these stories. For these meditation stories for Headspace and calm and stuff, because the storytelling is actually pretty awesome, I think. And it might be fun to do

Rebecca: 11:57

every English major ever.

Jamie: 12:00

Yeah.

Rebecca: 12:00

just a whole bunch of like really underutilized

Jamie: 12:02

They're like, oh my God, somebody's listening to what I wrote

Rebecca: 12:06

Finally, finally. That's really interesting. I cannot meditate. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't like being alone in my head. I can't settle. I always feel twitchy and uncomfy. but I, I, I love that. you found something that works. I'll definitely have to look in that because I do, if I'm listening to something that's great, I just can't sit in the silence. I don't know what it is. It's just,

Jamie: 12:28

Yeah.

Rebecca: 12:29

I think that's why I do the, the background noise of books or even podcasts. Just,

Jamie: 12:34

Yeah,

Rebecca: 12:35

listening and

Jamie: 12:36

I usually always fall asleep to like the Let's Not Meet podcast or some like murder podcast, you know?

Rebecca: 12:45

my dreams have been so much better lately

Jamie: 12:47

I know,

Rebecca: 12:47

Calm.

Jamie: 12:48

it's so weird. but no, I have to have something on too. I usually just have, like, if I'm not listening to a meditation or a podcast, like I listen to, it's like some A DHD sleep music playlist I found on Spotify. and it's kind, it sounds like meditation music, kind of, except. A lot of meditation music can really annoy me and just make it worse. And this is like, I don't know, it works with my brain, so I'll listen to that for like a little while and then like have my thing set so it automatically switches to just rain sounds and like storm sounds. And so that's what really I think eases me is rain.

Rebecca: 13:31

just like something like the, I love white noise'cause it just, my brain just turns off

Jamie: 13:35

Yeah. I thought you said,'cause my brain just hurts, is what I thought you said. I'm like, honestly, yes.

Rebecca: 13:41

It does hurt sometimes, but no, white noise is great.

Jamie: 13:44

Yeah, I do like rain. I mean you have to find the right one because like sometimes like it's like thunderstorms that are really loud and some people like that and that's soothing for them sometimes. Yeah, you gotta find the right thing. I feel like we're getting into, um. Another one of the types of rest was, is like sensory rest. I think that's like very similar with meditation and listening to things.

Rebecca: 14:07

One of the reasons, so one of the reasons why I needed a break is because I am in meetings all day long and I am just talked at and talking to people constantly now, and I would just end the day. Just kind of like a wet cat. Just like so tense.

Jamie: 14:25

mm-hmm.

Rebecca: 14:26

and it's like, I don't wanna talk to anyone. I don't wanna talk to my husband, I don't wanna talk to my kids. Like I just don't wanna talk to anyone because it's just, you know, it's been coming at you for eight hours a day and you just wanna go into a dark room. And I think I wrote lay on the floor in the silence. Guess.

Jamie: 14:39

Yeah. that's what I used to do when, you know, like I was in the same boat where I just had meetings all day long. You know, sometimes I would have, I don't know, four hours of meetings back to back and I would have maybe a 30 minute window before another meeting or before I had to get hop to work on something and I would literally just go lie in my bed, not to sleep, not to nap, but just lie in the darkness with my cat and just lie there and just kind of like, I don't know, melt into my bed for 30 minutes., At that point, I wouldn't listen to anything.'cause like I didn't want anything. I was sick of people. I was sick of listening.

Rebecca: 15:17

It's so interesting. I was like, I was just thinking toddlers do that, like toddlers need to decompress in the middle of the day. That's usually what, like when they stop taking naps, they still need like that downtime to just kind of rest in the dark because they just, they really need to decompress. Otherwise they're totally overstimulated at the end of the day. And I don't know why we stopped doing that as adults. Yeah. But like we're, you're completely overstimulated. Did you write mentally? It's like mentally taking off your bra.

Jamie: 15:42

I think you said that and I wrote it probably Wait, where? Yeah. Mentally taking off your bra. That sounds like something you would say. Maybe I wrote

Rebecca: 15:50

sun. Yeah. Sensory rest is mentally taking off your bra. It's just you can't hold it anymore. You can't, and you put to like giving your eyes a break from the screen and again, we're so overwhelmed by. Input from everything, including screens turn those off. Don't look at'em.

Jamie: 16:08

especially,

Rebecca: 16:09

yourself sit.

Jamie: 16:10

with news and the administration, you know, yeah. ugh. Especially when you're, like, when you're an introvert. and or when you have to mask when you're being on at work or being on socially. that's when that like sensory rest is just so great because Yeah.'cause we were talking about like listening to things and that kind of just like soothe us. But after meetings, I wouldn't do anything. I wouldn't even look at my phone. I would just lie there. A lot of times, even with my eyes open, I would just lie there with my eyes open in the dark, not listening to anything.

Rebecca: 16:47

So in that kind of same vein, the University of Nevada did a study and they showed that, like just sitting and looking at nature, basically helping your brain defrag, like watching just plants or trees or whatever. They studied the brain activities and what they found is that, it helps your brain basically function better. It helps with sensory processing. it gives you better focus. It makes you more cognitively flexible. but it helps improve sensory processing.

Jamie: 17:15

Sensory processing. Yeah, that makes sense.

Rebecca: 17:17

Your brain is on screensaver mode.

Jamie: 17:19

That's a good,

Rebecca: 17:20

nature, yeah. It puts your brain in

Jamie: 17:22

it's like taking your bra off and going into screensaver mode.

Rebecca: 17:25

yeah. But that really does help your brain like settle down. And I, I said defrag, but it is, it helps it defrag and just reset essentially. So what we used to do with toddlers as far as that quiet time in the dark room, that's I think the adult version of it.

Jamie: 17:41

you say quiet time in a dark room, do you just mean nap time

Rebecca: 17:45

Yeah. Accident. Emily wouldn't take naps, so we would just put her in a room with a book and be like, you cannot come out for an hour. The other thing I wanted to tell you it also helps with like healing too. So looking at nature and being within nature helps people who have had surgery, they need like less medication and it helps them heal faster.

Jamie: 18:03

Yeah. nature and like sunlight, right? that's huge in, in, you know, mental health. Do

Rebecca: 18:10

They call it forest bathing, which is interesting. basically just sitting in a garden, I,

Jamie: 18:17

you do that? Do you just walk in your front yard and just sit crisscross applesauce in the midst of all your plants?

Rebecca: 18:23

I just remember that Benjamin Franklin used to walk around in Nature naked, and maybe this is why.

Jamie: 18:30

Yeah, so that's it. Is that we all need to walk around naked in nature more.

Rebecca: 18:38

We'll put the study in the show notes too. It really is genuinely interesting. I think they did like eight weeks study where they students were like walking in nature for like 30 minutes. Right. and so that's where they found like they had better attention spans and, and decreased emotional fatigue and it, it improved their health and their overall wellbeing. So

Jamie: 18:56

Yeah.

Rebecca: 18:56

I think this is one of those do, as I say, not as I do things. I know I need to go out more in nature, but it's really hard when it's fucking four degrees and raining every day.

Jamie: 19:05

It's actually gonna be raining here for like a week now,

Rebecca: 19:09

Ooh,

Jamie: 19:10

but

Rebecca: 19:10

that's good. Right.

Jamie: 19:11

kind of nice when you don't get it. Yeah. But it also just makes me wanna sleep and do nothing, which,

Rebecca: 19:16

To be fair though, all of January is like asleep and do nothing month. The other one we kind of glossed over was, not taking on more of an emotional load than you can, which is hard to do. Like saying to a friend, listen, I can't talk to you about this right now. Like I am, I just can't take this on. I wanna talk to you,

Jamie: 19:31

I'm at my limit, yeah. Like I can't even take care of myself right now. Like I can't,

Rebecca: 19:36

I just don't have, I don't have the capacity for this. But you know in love though, and it's just not,

Jamie: 19:42

It's hard.

Rebecca: 19:43

it's'cause you feel like you're abandoning your friends. You feel like you're not being a good friend. But I think part of friendship is recognizing like, no, okay, that's cool. We're honestly, everyone is struggling right now too. Everyone is

Jamie: 19:55

Yeah.

Rebecca: 19:56

outta spoons.

Jamie: 19:57

Where are all the spoons?

Rebecca: 19:59

I think emotional and social rest also kind of roll into each other because combined with that is saying no to activities, which again, this is a very tourist podcast because that's what we love to do in the first place.

Jamie: 20:10

to activities?

Rebecca: 20:11

I've had friends literally be like, look, I love you. I don't wanna go to lunch today. I just, I can't, and I never take it the wrong way. I'm always like, okay, but I get it. And then I'm secretly thrilled because I didn't want to,

Jamie: 20:23

Yep.

Rebecca: 20:24

or just even being like, Hey, we don't have to go anywhere. Do you just wanna sit on one side of the couch and I'll sit on the other and we can have snacks and watch TV if you do wanna see someone. Like just,

Jamie: 20:34

sometimes maybe even, can we like FaceTime or can we just be on the phone and do you wanna watch, you know, love is Blind Season 20, while we're on the phone together.

Rebecca: 20:46

exactly. Yeah. It's just, it's, yeah. Emotional and social rest really go hand in hand too. and again, I think it's hard. I think it feels like you are. Not showing up for people or not being there for people, but if you are at your limit, you're not gonna be able to show up for them anyway.

Jamie: 21:01

I think one thing that just hit me, I've been thinking about this, I think the last, it feels like maybe just the last year, but it could be the last two or three years. I'm not positive. I used to be that person who obviously if I was busy and I couldn't respond, that's fine. But like I would always respond to texts like the day of always. And I've noticed just within the past year, maybe two or three years, not positive, I'm not that person anymore. And that's kind of been curious to me. Like I was kind of like, why? And I think it was just. I couldn't when I was at like my darkest and then I got a taste of like, Hey, it's okay to leave some people on red for like a day or two. if it's nothing, you know, like urgent,

Rebecca: 21:46

Do you think the pandemic had anything to do with it? Like just being so online and so digital? For however many years that like, now that we don't have to be that way.

Jamie: 21:56

probably.'cause I feel like with social media too, I'm like, so off social media, I do like a little bit here and a little bit there, but overall, like there are times when I'm just not on it at all. like weeks go by and I haven't checked anything.

Rebecca: 22:13

Right, right.'cause we were so like, but that's the only way we could connect for so many years that now it's

Jamie: 22:18

Plugged in.

Rebecca: 22:20

yeah, it's not as dire Now it's like, I can, I know I can talk to her or see her a couple of days because I can leave the house. it's almost like we're doing like a digital

Jamie: 22:29

we leave the house? Absolutely not.

Rebecca: 22:32

It's a built in digital detox now because everyone has just been online constantly for what, three to four years in a row.

Jamie: 22:39

Yeah. I hope that, I don't, I hope that people don't hear this and like people aren't offended that I sometimes leave, leave you on red. But it's just

Rebecca: 22:48

I am not offended.

Jamie: 22:50

Rebecca's like, I, I'm not, and that's really all that matters.

Rebecca: 22:53

Everyone's busy with shit. And honestly, with, perimenopause and A DHD symptoms getting as bad as they are, I will respond to someone in my head.

Jamie: 23:04

Oh, I do that as well. True.

Rebecca: 23:06

yep. Or I'm like, yeah, oh. And I see like they message me or I'm in a meeting and then I totally

Jamie: 23:11

Maybe, maybe none of it is on purpose, and I'm just old now and I'm forgetting that I didn't actually text a person back. I'm like, oh yeah,

Rebecca: 23:20

There have been a couple times where I am. I'm mortified.'cause I'm like, oh my God, when did you text that? Holy shit. And you just completely miss. Something. So I don't know. I'm not one to be like thinking anything in good faith. I'm usually pretty negative. But this is the one time where I'm just like, everyone is fucking busy and I know everyone is fucking sick of the internet and their phones after the past four years. Yeah. So I don't hold that against anybody.

Jamie: 23:44

Yeah. And protect yourself, protect your energy. that's really what we should be doing. and your loved ones like will understand that. If anybody has a problem with that, then. Maybe you need to rethink that relationship. Just saying it is the new year, you know, out with the old,

Rebecca: 24:03

So many people are just like, well, I'm not talking to my parents anymore after this.

Jamie: 24:06

yeah. They're like, Jamie and Rebecca said it was okay. It absolutely is.

Rebecca: 24:13

it is. You know what's really interesting? my sister and I talk each other through, like learning how to set communication limits

Jamie: 24:22

Yeah. Tell me, tell me more about that.

Rebecca: 24:24

Because there was always such guilt around like, if you don't talk to, you know, I'm just gonna throw my grandma under the bus, you know, not calling every week or not doing something every week it's okay. And it doesn't make us bad. It doesn't make us bad granddaughters. it's not something you feel guilty over, we're doing our best and,

Jamie: 24:40

That's not what makes you bad granddaughters? However, I'm just kidding.

Rebecca: 24:44

I know, but it's, it having that kind of familial guilt and learning to overcome that, and taking care of your own self instead, is, it's hard to do.

Jamie: 24:53

I think a lot of that too stems from growing up in like

Rebecca: 24:58

Mm-hmm.

Jamie: 24:58

a very Christian household.

Rebecca: 25:01

That's a whole other, that's a whole other things I hate. Podcasts.

Jamie: 25:05

be episode two. Yeah. It'll be like part two of what was our one on? Oh, what's your religious trauma is what we had in.

Rebecca: 25:14

So that rolls into, and I'm gonna swap it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna swap six and seven, so

Jamie: 25:19

Though I don't think the order matters to be honest.

Rebecca: 25:21

I know, but I don't wanna get this wrong. So spirit, so emotional, spiritual, and social rest are kind of all intertwined because in that same vein, you said protecting your energy, taking that energy that you're using and doing it to do things that. Fill you up and nourish you, giving back to the community, volunteering, hanging out. You put hanging out with your niece and nephews, which is a great one. Like hanging out with your kid,

Jamie: 25:47

That does that. Just like that heals me.'cause like sometimes even I'll be depressed and I won't wanna go over, but I'll force myself to, because I know. That it's gonna fix me at least for a short amount of time,

Rebecca: 26:00

Even if it's just like watching a movie with your kid just hanging out and just being in the same room. for me it was baking. I spent, I've spent my Christmas, break baking, which I haven't done. I don't even know how long it's been,

Jamie: 26:14

about your cheese coins.

Rebecca: 26:16

oh my God, guys, if you like cheese, it's basically, if shortbread was cheesy. It's so delicious. They're like these buttery, cheesy little nuggets of deliciousness. And I've sent the recipe to everyone. I know. They're so fucking good. I'll put the recipe in the show

Jamie: 26:32

Oh yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah, you sent it to me and I was like, I'm probably never gonna make this. But I did add it to my. Recipe app,

Rebecca: 26:40

That's the kind of thing that nourishes me, like baking and one of the things we talked about is instead of being like New year new me and just going hard into it, focusing on maybe like spiritually things and doing things that you find spiritually fulfilling, I think that would help with not burning out as fast and not feeling guilty about things. if you eat something, you're like, oh, that's, you know, quote unquote bad. Getting rid of all that and instead focusing on. That sort of spiritual nourishment. And I, I feel like I'm I sound like some asshole person right now, just

Jamie: 27:12

you've

Rebecca: 27:12

on spiritual

Jamie: 27:13

you've said nourishment a lot for Rebecca, and so that is

Rebecca: 27:17

really gross. It's really gross and I don't mean it like that.

Jamie: 27:21

you absolutely mean it like that, but it's just not every day that I hear you talking about spiritual nourishment. So

Rebecca: 27:30

Do things that you like to fucking do that you haven't done

Jamie: 27:33

out with people that you like to hang out with.

Rebecca: 27:36

Yes. Or don't hang out if you don't want to spend time alone. color, I love to fucking color, which is so silly, but I love coloring and it's just relaxing.

Jamie: 27:48

that's what I was gonna say, if you don't mind,'cause I know you had mentioned in therapy, sometimes when you just can't, your therapist will be like, do you wanna just color today? And you'll be like, yes. And you'll just color. And I was thinking of that when we were talking about like mental and emotional rest. You're still doing the work and going to therapy, Which is good, which can can help with that, but sometimes like you can't even do that. And that's too much

Rebecca: 28:12

like a no bones day for therapy.

Jamie: 28:14

yeah. Yeah. Coloring. Coloring in front of your therapist.

Rebecca: 28:19

but it does kind of help like your brain shift and then you start to relax and feel like more comfortable like opening. But some days you just go and you're like, it's everything and you can't relax. I, I think, I think as we go into 2026, I was talking about this with a friend of mine today, so many people are like focused on themselves, but with the state of how everything is, I think it's gonna be more Important to start. things to make you feel good that also help the community. and I don't mean that in like a self-righteous, pompous way. I mean that in a, like a, we're fucked otherwise you guys because there's a monster in charge., Otherwise we just feel stuck. Like we can't do anything. And I, I don't mean this to sound preachy, it's just this year was not a happy, good year. It really wasn't. And we're ending the year. Knowing that we're going into 2026 and not one person I know has been like, oh boy, they've been like, here we go. and so I think rest and protecting ourselves is gonna be more important than ever. But also,

Jamie: 29:18

Also protecting each other.

Rebecca: 29:20

Yes. Thank you. Yes. Protecting each other. Christmas has been hard.'cause it's it's not the magical time of year. This hasn't been a magical time of year. This has been like, oh my fucking God. What has happening? and it's hard to feel good at a time of year where things are especially awful.

Jamie: 29:36

There's this woman, I think she's from Ireland. and I actually, she did a post about this just recently after I found her. But I did just find her in December. I came across one of her videos randomly when I was just scrolling, which I don't do much anymore. And she was talking about, the solstice and, I think they say 12 magical nights, but she was doing 13 magical nights because like 13, is that good number. and it's just about like writing down intentions. You can write down, your 13 intentions, cut them up and like fold them up or crumple'em, whatever. So you like, you can't see them. It shouldn't be statements of hope, it should be statements of fact, and this is gonna happen. that's what your intentions are.

Rebecca: 30:18

Are you talking manifesting or is it like stuff that like, you know, you can do.

Jamie: 30:22

I guess it's manifesting, but it's just like intentions. Like these are my intentions for the new year. and so it is kind of like this is what I want and this is what I am manifesting will happen. Basically.

Rebecca: 30:34

Were any of those being that fucker dies in 2026 at all, please.

Jamie: 30:40

not in layman's terms.

Rebecca: 30:42

Okay.

Jamie: 30:43

So

Rebecca: 30:44

Not in a way that would get you looked at by the FBI.

Jamie: 30:46

it's okay, this isn't digital, these are on pieces of paper that I'm burning. They'll never know. so each night, and I added some more to it, right? So like I light a candle and I draw, I have like. Are they intention cards?'cause they're not tarot cards, but they're like, it's like I am hope. So I draw an intention card every night, a new one. And then I also have, a little bag of these squared crystals. And so I take those and I use'em like dice and I throw'em out and like whatever, one's like furthest away i'm like, okay, this is the one for tonight. So I choose a crystal, I choose an attention card, I light a candle, and then I read my attention card. Then I shuffle up my little intentions that I folded and I pick one up and then I burn it and I let it burn just like completely down and let it go away. And I just kind of think of just my overall intentions,'cause I don't know what it says. and then on the last night, I still burn one, but then I keep the last one and I open it and I look at it and that's the only one you look at. And that's supposed to be like your main focus and intention for the year. And so I've been doing that every night. And it's just been like a nice practice it feels very grounding and like it feels really good. and it's nice. It's just like this little like ritual that I have with myself and it just, yeah, it was just really cool.

Rebecca: 32:10

that sounds really nice too. I love that. Like it's meditative in its own way

Jamie: 32:14

Yeah, it was hard writing all those intentions though. Let me fucking tell you.

Rebecca: 32:18

Are you comfortable sharing a couple also, you don't have to. I.

Jamie: 32:21

is it like

Rebecca: 32:22

Oh, if it's bad luck to say it all that I just, or maybe in general, like are you looking at

Jamie: 32:26

I don't

Rebecca: 32:27

personal life or,

Jamie: 32:29

some of it's just For me, some of it's for like me and my loved ones. I don't mind like sharing a couple. I was gonna say, is it like blowing out your candles on your birthday and making a witch wish and you can't I said making a witch.

Rebecca: 32:43

your wish.

Jamie: 32:44

Making a witch. One of them was I am a light, I show to others what I want to see in the world. Yeah.

Rebecca: 32:51

Ooh. I love that. That's really nourishing.

Jamie: 32:54

Yeah. So it's just kind of,

Rebecca: 32:56

I'm just gonna work nourishing into the every show.

Jamie: 32:59

nourishing, it's very grounding. this one was, I hold love in my heart and patience for those who love and are patient with me. So that's kind of like me and other people again, but only those who love and are patient with me. Now I'm, well, now I'm sitting and now I'm like, is that bitchy? Is that like a bitchy in tantrum?

Rebecca: 33:17

You know what? No, I think that's a good one. I think that's setting emotional boundaries.

Jamie: 33:22

Yeah, but

Rebecca: 33:23

It's prioritizing yourself and I love that.

Jamie: 33:26

yeah, highly recommend. You don't have to do it for the solstice, like you can do it anytime if you wanted to do this like every single day. I mean, that's a lot of intentions to write out, but like you could just start now and do it if it's, you know, something that sounds right for you. Sounds nourishing and grounding.

Rebecca: 33:48

The last rest we have is one that I think you and I are intimately familiar with and actually conversations we've had with a lot of our writer friends. especially for writers and creatives, I feel like a lot of us are like, if we're not making something,, we're not doing anything with our life. And what it's, what's not talked about a lot is there are fallow periods and periods of rest when it comes to creativity you have to think of, of your creativity, like a tree. And so during the winter or during those periods of downtime, the tree isn't dead. The tree is still growing, but the tree is also gathering energy for the spring when it's time to blossom and bear

Jamie: 34:24

Wait, when did you come up with this tree analogy? I'm sorry, this just

Rebecca: 34:27

I, no, I didn't. It was a quote that I read, it's Marshall Van Duff. One reason that people have artist block is that they don't respect the law of dormancy in nature. Trees don't produce fruit all year long, constantly. They have a point where they go dormant. And when you are in a dormant period creatively, if you can arrange your life to do the technical tasks that don't take creativity, you're essentially preparing for the spring when it will all blossom again. Creativity during a downtime. it's, you're gathering the energy and the ideas and when it is finally time to create something, that's when it's gonna come forth out of you. But it's not gonna be ready until then. And there's no shame in, there's no shame in that downtime. There's no shame in taking a break on something. There's no shame in not making or doing. but just thinking on things. And so giving yourself that permission as a creative to, just be in that space.

Jamie: 35:15

Yeah. And that's kind of like how I see like our, our, you know, brief hiatus between season one and season two is like on top of many other types of rest. I think we needed, creative rest even. It's also something interesting, and I know we talk about this with our friend Alyssa a lot, it gets even more complicated when your art, what, you know, whatever you create, is tied to your income, your livelihood. some people I think Alyssa would say, you know, she was always afraid of doing that, of like selling any of her art or anything because she didn't wanna ruin it, you know, which I understand. but some people like, that's their job and that's what they chose as their job is to, make a living from their art, which is awesome. But I imagine like those who, that that's tied to whether or not you're gonna eat, whether or not you can pay your bills or your rent. I imagine that's even harder to do, like creative rest.

Rebecca: 36:14

Oh yeah. Yes. Especially if you're having to work. Yeah. If you're having to work and earn money and, and you don't get to spend the time doing what you love to do, um, it feels like you're being, untrue to yourself or, or betraying your, you know, your actual purpose.

Jamie: 36:31

under creative rest. We had a note here that said, I feel like I fucking wrote this Coloring in a coloring book instead of doing your typical graphic design side project, you know? So still doing something creative, but not like the thing maybe, I guess that's not true. Like a lot of people don't just have one way they're created, I feel like that way about myself though.

Rebecca: 36:55

How so? What do you mean?

Jamie: 36:57

This is another podcast.

Rebecca: 36:58

Oh, okay.

Jamie: 36:59

No, I was just saying I don't consider myself a very creative person, but we talked about this a lot as we were starting the Burnout Collective, because I feel like it just opened me up. I started doing things and like making stupid designs in Canva even. And, even when I made our video like announcing, you know, season two is coming in January, I was so hyped. I had so much fun with it, you know? and it's nice to have that. But honestly, I typically don't, or at least didn't consider myself a very creative person. Because, yeah, I'm like, oh yeah, with words, I'm a writer, but I've been an editor and manager for so long that like I don't write anymore. I definitely don't write for pleasure anymore, like for myself. So the creativity I think I had with writing is kind of

Rebecca: 37:49

I have noticed though, like, I mean, just even the thing you did the other day with that bulletin board, like you are expressing creativity in different ways. it's coming out of you and I don't know if, I don't know if you just don't consider that like quote, making something or like doing, but I mean, I think that's, I think you're still taking the time to do it. I think it's still coming out of you

Jamie: 38:09

until I can sketch. Within 30 minutes. Perfect portraits of people. I will never consider myself creative.

Rebecca: 38:20

It feels good to be back.

Jamie: 38:22

It feels really good to be back. I kind of felt like we were gonna be like Rusty,

Rebecca: 38:27

Oh, please

Jamie: 38:28

I don't think, I think it's impossible.

Rebecca: 38:31

It's good to be back and we have missed you all and we really appreciate you taking the time to support us and listen to us. we have big plans for 2026. we're always looking for guests, so if you have ideas or if you have suggestions, please feel free to email us.

Jamie: 38:49

Yeah, please reach out. if you know of someone who might be a good guest, you know, reach out to them, see if they're interested. and if it's you, yeah, we would love to have you. Guest@burnoutcollective.com.

Rebecca: 39:00

We'll see you again in a couple weeks.

Jamie: 39:02

see you next year, eh, finger guns.

Rebecca: 39:08

nourish yourself.

Jamie: 39:10

Okay, we're done. Goodbye.

Rebecca: 39:11

Okay, bye.