Jamie: 0:00

You're still doing it. You're just doing it quietly, like behind closed

Rebecca: 0:03

I'm not, right. I'm not, that's the difference. I'm not posting about it and I'm not telling anyone that I did it. That's the difference

Jamie: 0:10

Except all of our listeners, Rebecca.

Rebecca: 0:12

except for all three of our listeners right now. All three of you now know how I use LinkedIn.

0:23

I am Jamie. And I'm Rebecca. Welcome to the Burnout Collective.

Jamie: 0:31

Hey guys.

Rebecca: 0:33

Hello. Welcome back.

Jamie: 0:35

Yeah. Missed you guys last week, but, we felt that it was a good opportunity for us to take a little break, practice what we preach and stuff, right? Rebecca,

Rebecca: 0:49

Sure.

Jamie: 0:49

take vacation. Take time off.

Rebecca: 0:52

I'm on vacation today and I'm on vacation tomorrow.

Jamie: 0:54

Look it. See, this is what happened. We had the PTO episode. She took more days off. It was two days, but it's a start. It's a start.

Rebecca: 1:03

to start. Yep.

Jamie: 1:05

Hype at. Oh God. housekeeping real quick. Ertz and Liz Aday both got their merch, their stickers from us. I think Ertz posted some in the Discord, so join the Discord and go check those out. They look really good. Like we haven't even gotten any merch yet. we need to do that soon. but we'll also be like making more designs. So we have a little bit more in the shop, but, I wonder if I have a merch call out on here. is not what I needed to do. We do, yeah. So there's our red bubble shop. if you wanna check it out and get something, if you see anything on there and you're like. The design looks good, but it's not placed properly. I tried to like, fix everything manually, but you can just reach out to us and let us know. yeah. What else we got?

Rebecca: 2:07

Aprons and notebooks that will change your life.

Jamie: 2:10

Yeah, I do want one of those notebooks because it's just don't laugh at me. They look really nice. I like the way the notebooks look. Adrian made

Rebecca: 2:20

last week? What the difference between a Capricorn and a Taurus is? And the difference is a Capricorn actually writes in the notebooks they buy.

Jamie: 2:27

Oh yeah. Yeah.

Rebecca: 2:28

Yeah. So for all the Capricorns out there, we have notebooks.

Jamie: 2:32

I think that's when we were talking to Mars.'cause Mars is a.

Rebecca: 2:35

Oh, that's right.

Jamie: 2:36

Yeah. Which by the way, that was another housekeeping. we were supposed to have Mars on last week, but we had to reschedule. We're still rescheduling them. but that's still TBD, Mars is still coming on the show. It just will be at a later date. yeah. Thanks for hanging in there with us. And now we get to talk about LinkedIn. I can't believe we're doing a LinkedIn episode. It's really funny to

Rebecca: 3:01

listen, I, I don't even know where to start, but, LinkedIn has turned into Facebook and instead of your aunt, your coworkers are on there.

Jamie: 3:13

Also, also part Instagram. What did, I wish I could remember what that was. I sent you a post a while ago where it was this girl who was like, it was like a post about work and then she's and here's me. I don't know. It was like, and here's me taking

Rebecca: 3:27

was a felt, yes, it was a felt cute, my delete later,

Jamie: 3:31

Yeah, it was like, I think she was like in a bikini, like on vacation or something, like hanging out on a balcony. And I was like, this is so awkward.

Rebecca: 3:40

The other one had a picture of her ass too. Like she was in a bikini and

Jamie: 3:44

that's right. She was like

Rebecca: 3:44

the angle.

Jamie: 3:45

over her shoulder. Oops.

Rebecca: 3:48

But, so as a user of LinkedIn, like how do you, is LinkedIn important to you? do you update it often? have you had connections? what is your relationship with LinkedIn

Jamie: 3:57

Mars. Mars and I met on LinkedIn, so that's cool. I don't think, I don't use LinkedIn a lot, but I am on it and I like check it weekly. especially looking for a job. And that's part of the problem with LinkedIn becoming like a Facebook or an Instagram, is that it's so saturated with these bullshit posts that I feel like people trying to find work, is getting buried a little bit. And that may not be the case, but that's how I see it. reshare those of like people looking for work. Like you don't need to write a page about how your daughter's screwing up

Rebecca: 4:34

Hold on. We'll get there. We'll get there, we'll get there. That's,

Jamie: 4:38

All right. What about you? But I do have like connections on there that are valuable. That are valuable. So

Rebecca: 4:45

Yeah. Most of my, so that's how I got my current job, was connecting with my boss. most of my managers have been like Gen X and older, so they're on there. And so they tend to use network, they tend to use LinkedIn for networking and they take your profile seriously, like looking at your profile. so I try to keep mine clean and tidy and just free of anything weird. It's no weird.

Jamie: 5:12

probably post weird stuff, but not but it's still about work. I don't, yeah.

Rebecca: 5:16

yeah. we talked about the different, so in literature there are different archetypes. Archetypes. So you have the hero, you have different things. And so in LinkedIn we have multiple different types, multiple LinkedIn archetypes. And so the first one was, the humble brag guy. Do you wanna go ahead and talk about the one you saw about his 4:00 AM routine?

Jamie: 5:40

Oh yeah.

Rebecca: 5:41

He wakes up at 4:00 AM he dunks his head in cold water.

Jamie: 5:44

oh my God. it was insane. And I'm actually surprised'cause I don't usually do this. I don't usually get trapped by LinkedIn, but I was so annoyed by it that I commented and I thought everyone was gonna be like, oh, shut up. nobody actually like. Said anything back to me, which is fun, which is good. But yeah, it was just like an influencer video about a day in my life. And first I get up at four in the morning and then, I have my assistant personal chef, wife, partner, maybe bring me a giant bowl full of ice and a large bottle of name brand. I am not sure it could have been still, but I'm pretty sure it's like sparkling water. Like expensive sparkling water dumps the entire bottle. It's like a wine bottle dumps the entire like wine bottle of water in the bowl. Dunks his head in it. Okay. Dunks his head in ice

Rebecca: 6:35

He wastes an entire bottle

Jamie: 6:37

whole bottle. Yep. oh. But twice then, so that's what he does, almost like within the first 30 minutes of waking up and then he goes and he's like telling you his full routine. Then he goes and he like, goes down to the really nice gym that's in his like fancy, like high rise, expensive apartment. and then you see them like, hand the employees there, hand him a towel and he's oh, thank you. And then he like goes for a swim. And then he comes back and he showers and he gets ready. And then like right before he goes into a, like his first meeting of the day, he dunk. He does the same thing with the bowl and the ice and the, another bottle of water. And I'm just like, okay. people say that can be like, good for your skin and like also like it does wake you up, but just use sink water, dude. Like, why are you, why is this a whole thing?

Rebecca: 7:27

Also, why are you putting that on a professional networking site? It's only to make everyone who's seeing it feel bad about their own morning routines. This is a guy who is, so this is Patrick Bateman level.

Jamie: 7:38

Yeah.

Rebecca: 7:39

ready with me.

Jamie: 7:40

yeah. Absolutely it is. It's insane. He might, this guy might be a serial killer, I don't know.

Rebecca: 7:47

Probably you put, you're putting your face in ice twice in a row,

Jamie: 7:51

Yeah.

Rebecca: 7:51

and now we're fucking talking about it. Which was his goal this whole time.

Jamie: 7:56

I'm not gonna say the brand of the water on the show. but it was just very obvious, like anytime the bottle was handed to him, it was facing the screen and everyone was talking about it. oh, like what's your 4:00 AM you know, what do you do that really gets you going? And people were just like, honestly responding. But I'm just sitting there and I'm thinking, aren't there other people who are looking at this? And Either, maybe like me and annoyed, but also some people looking at it and being like, oh man, if only I could get up at 4:00 AM fa 4:00 AM I need to do that.

Rebecca: 8:28

I have kids, or I have kids and a whole household to run. Like the woman behind the camera who's fetching his ice bowls.

Jamie: 8:36

yeah, it's ice bowls, ice bowl, fetcher. I'm hiring an ice bowl fetcher.$10

Rebecca: 8:42

And wife I, bull fetcher, wife and breeder of children like,

Jamie: 8:48

But I just think that just like with every influencer on fucking Instagram, it's, everything is so catered and fake. And that was a sponsored post that was all about advertising the water. And so it's my comment was just basically, I just wanna remind people of a couple of things like. This is a sponsored post. This is what he does. He's getting paid for this. Just like on a tirade. I was in a mood.

Rebecca: 9:14

well actually, and he's getting paid any engagement. He gets paid for.

Jamie: 9:18

I was in the mood. Okay. And so I just went with it and and I was like, if you're feeling like shame because you're like, oh, I can't do that because I have kids, or because of this or because of this. And you're feeling shame because it's oh, I should be able to do this. Look at this guy. Look at all he's doing. There's that. And there's

Rebecca: 9:35

a fucking commercial. It's a fucking commercial.

Jamie: 9:37

put on top of that wealth money.

Rebecca: 9:41

Oh,

Jamie: 9:42

Of course it's easy when you have a personal chef. Do all your food prep, make all your meals, and then serve them to you. I would love that. I would eat so much better if I had a personal chef,

Rebecca: 9:55

so

Jamie: 9:55

to a pool and a gym. Yeah.

Rebecca: 9:57

Oh yeah. The same vein is like guys who post what they made that year. I see a lot of guys posting like their, net worth or like what they post, what they made in a year. or they just do the humble brag vacations at a very expensive place. It's just. Posting on LinkedIn as like a, here's what I've been doing. But it's really a wealth humble brag of Ooh, I went to Turks and Caicos and you didn't peasants. and who's supposed to care about that?

Jamie: 10:24

Yeah.

Rebecca: 10:25

His coworkers, that this is what I mean, who is supposed to see that be? Like, either I want him to work for me or I wanna work for him. Or are you just doing it? Three is apparently a commercial for a sparkling face water.

Jamie: 10:38

Yeah. Sparkling Face Water. That's an episode title right there.

Rebecca: 10:43

that's the first one. The second one is the, unqualified white man who posts something like, I was really tired of working at a call center, so I decided one day to call myself a financial expert. And the next thing I know, and then I wrote about it, and here I am today, still not qualified, but making money somehow doing it anyway, eh,

Jamie: 11:05

Because people call themselves anything on LinkedIn. That's another thing is like LinkedIn is not,

Rebecca: 11:10

it too.

Jamie: 11:10

it's, LinkedIn is not a fucking primary source. Like

Rebecca: 11:14

No.

Jamie: 11:15

in articles when we're editing articles that writers give us and maybe they interviewed someone, I make them give me their LinkedIn just'cause like I wanna look. But then also like a page on their website or the company site that says this is who they are, this is their title. And do you know how many times that's completely, those two things are completely different. It's it could sometimes, I'm sure it's like they got a promotion or a title change or something like that, but a lot of times it's just like people are putting whatever they want on LinkedIn.

Rebecca: 11:44

So the mediocre man who's I've decided that this is what I am right now. And so it is, and everyone in the comms is like, only God. So inspirational. Way to go, buddy. You could do it.

Jamie: 11:54

Betty even takes his kids to the beach. Oh my God. What a guy. What a dad.

Rebecca: 11:58

So it's the, I can do, I did it and you can do it too, but not really guy. So that's the second one is just the,

Jamie: 12:05

S Speaking of humble brags though, do you remember, this was a while ago. I can't remember if it was this year, last year, but there was a post by somebody we know about, like meeting with, my entrepreneur, men's club or like whatever. And it was like a picture and it was literally

Rebecca: 12:25

founders. The founders club. it was meant exclusively for people who had started and sold their startups. So basically a new millionaires white men.

Jamie: 12:35

was one, one person of color there. It was the rest, all white men.

Rebecca: 12:40

that's their DEI efforts.

Jamie: 12:44

No women.

Rebecca: 12:44

We are including an Asian millionaire, you guys. Good job guys. Yeah. Hi. I'm meeting with all of my other millionaire friends. Fuck you, peasants.

Jamie: 12:55

I don't know, man. Maybe we,

Rebecca: 12:58

feels grotesque

Jamie: 12:59

yeah, I was just gonna say, maybe we need to reach out to these guys and see if they can bankroll the podcast, little DEI efforts. Yeah, exactly. Hiq, good morning.

Rebecca: 13:11

there. The third type is someone like your sister-in-law who actually posts really practical and useful information. she had one last week and it was like, if you're on LinkedIn and you take it seriously, here's what you need to be doing to your profile to get it to a point where it's ready to go if something were to happen. She goes, A lot of people make the mistake of updating their LinkedIn after they're laid off. You need to have your LinkedIn working for you now. I was like, that's actually a really good idea. And I looked at mine and I didn't have any, I didn't have any, like my bio was old and I didn't have a work description for my current job. And I didn't have any, recommendations since 2023. I was like, oh, okay. I probably should. So there's people like that who are actually taking this seriously and using it for what it's supposed to be and offering helpful advice.

Jamie: 13:56

But then also I think, I love, I do, I love her content. Love ikas content. but I think that also opens the door for all of these other people who are, like, I'm an in a LinkedIn influencer. that's the thing that's, it's super big right now is to be a LinkedIn influencer. that's huge. People are, people jumped on it because it wasn't as hard to do as with the other platforms that are saturated with influencers already.

Rebecca: 14:26

yeah.

Jamie: 14:27

And you know why?'cause LinkedIn isn't really the place for influencers.

Rebecca: 14:33

no. Then there's the crash out, there's the crash outposts, which are. Frankly my personal favorite. Would you like to tell us what a crash out post is? Jamie,

Jamie: 14:46

it's when

Rebecca: 14:46

if you would like, I have some right here that I could read out loud if that's helpful.

Jamie: 14:51

it's when you're literally like burning bridges and doing so in such an unhinged way, right?

Rebecca: 15:01

much Dick did you have to blow to get that New York Times page? Fuck

Jamie: 15:05

said to a woman, said to a woman on LinkedIn, by the way,

Rebecca: 15:10

yeah.

Jamie: 15:10

you should blow Dick Pat. Is that what you're saying? Pat goes, I should do that.

Rebecca: 15:13

everyone in the company circle is a little more than cult is a little more than a cult follower who has nothing original to say. So they boot lick each other to stay relevant again on a public forum where all their professional colleagues are.

Jamie: 15:27

That's amazing. And including my favorite, where he literally just says, what to Robert,

Rebecca: 15:37

Oh, fuck you Robert. Fuck you Robert. Just again,

Jamie: 15:41

you, Robert.

Rebecca: 15:42

on a public phone.

Jamie: 15:43

replying to the guy's posts or replying back.'cause the guy was like, Hey, this isn't appropriate for you to be on here saying these things. And then he was just like, fuck you, Robert. It's

Rebecca: 15:54

Then when he was looking for a job and he got a response saying, thank you, but we're not hiring you, he posted his responses being like, why the fuck not? And arguing with the hiring manager who told him no in the first place, and he's like going back and forth and he's I'm standing up for the little guy, blah, blah, blah. But all he does is look fucking insane. Then a couple weeks later, some of you may be wondering exactly how challenging it is to go through a job search while navigating a new life with borderline personality

Jamie: 16:27

Oh my God.

Rebecca: 16:29

and then a whole seven paragraphs.

Jamie: 16:33

It's interesting because like it is very Facebook, but at the same time, the thing that like it has, that Facebook doesn't have is like. I feel like, I haven't been on, I haven't been on Facebook for like decades, so I couldn't tell you, but I feel like Facebook posts aren't usually as long. Like I feel like people on LinkedIn, they wanna talk, this is their like blog. LinkedIn is like their site.

Rebecca: 16:59

this is my favorite. Personally speaking, a pattern of instability and personal relationships doesn't necessarily mean that I can't maintain friendships or a network like to remind you of, fuck you. Robert would like to remind you of that.

Jamie: 17:12

but hon see, but if you think about it though, is this guy just saying what all of us wanna say anyway?

Rebecca: 17:23

You couldn't pay me enough money in the entire world to write anything about any mental health diagnosis that I may or may not have to the people who pay me money for the job I'm supposed to

Jamie: 17:33

but the fuck you, Robert, or you guys are so up each other's asses that you don't know. I would like to say that to some people.

Rebecca: 17:40

But here's the thing. So my larger point about this is, so we saw that on LinkedIn and then I have screenshots of all the Slack messages we were sending to writers, being like, Hey, or to editors being like, Hey, we're blacklisting this guy. We will not be hiring. Like I went to my boss and was like, Hey, we will not be hiring this guy. So the ones who were in charge of hiring freelance freelancers, we all were like, Hey, have you seen this guy FYI? And we all blacklisted him because we're not working with that.

Jamie: 18:08

Yeah.

Rebecca: 18:09

So he shit in his own nest?

Jamie: 18:10

yeah, don't, I don't know how it necessarily is in other industries with editors, and content creators. But if you're a writer and like you are a dick.

Rebecca: 18:24

Yeah.

Jamie: 18:25

Everybody in our industry is gonna know it because the editors share that information across websites, across verticals within the industry. yeah. I think that's really cool by the way, that like all of us are like, Hey, by the way, like we, we know everybody at the other sites.

Rebecca: 18:43

yes. But do you remember when he was mean to Dory? There were a couple posts of him being really hateful to our friend, like an actual nice person. And so when we see you being mean to our colleague and actual nice person, that just makes it entirely worse. And no one's gonna be like, oh yeah, you know what? He has a good point. He did tell Robert to go fuck himself. We should hire.

Jamie: 19:03

I'm hoping that people finally stopped like engaging with him because I just think that's the key that like a lot of people miss is like. Because I, and I know the pull to want to engage when somebody is saying something ridiculous or hurtful or hateful, but with someone like that, who's so completely lost it, like honestly, and not mentally well. he is not,

Rebecca: 19:32

no. A subset of the crash out are the Warriors for Christ. So those are the people who have. In their bios, like Jesus follower, and then in all the comments, they're super fucking combative, but they somehow manage to bring Christianity and Jesus into every fucking comment. And you're just like, and they fight about everything, but it's under the guise of being a warrior for the Lord. And this is usually CEOs.

Jamie: 19:59

I have never seen that on LinkedIn. I've not come across those people.

Rebecca: 20:05

I have seen it a lot. it's very, and it's usually like Christ follower, entrepreneur.

Jamie: 20:13

Wait is like Christ follower first, like before, like

Rebecca: 20:16

Oh, a hundred percent. It's either Christ follower or Jesus lover on LinkedIn. And again, this is a

Jamie: 20:23

I'm gonna start,

Rebecca: 20:24

I want to get a job.

Jamie: 20:25

in my LinkedIn profile and just see what happens.

Rebecca: 20:27

I wanna go. So people who wanna hire me can find me if I have shit that makes them go, Ugh, I don't want that. And if I see something that says Jesus follower. First of all, I question what that has anything to do with you as a professional. And if you are not putting anything professional, then I question your ability to do the fucking job. And also you're probably really fucking annoying to talk to. And I don't want you as a coworker,

Jamie: 20:57

But Rebecca, let's be honest, that's everybody. Everybody's

Rebecca: 21:00

is everyone that would be the one who like makes an HR complaint. Like the first time I respond to him in a gif. It's just

Jamie: 21:07

Oh my God.

Rebecca: 21:10

but I mean it, that's I'm questioning like, what is the point? Are you doing it because you feel like it makes you a better employee? Are you doing it because you're fucking grandstanding? And if you are grandstanding, again, I genuinely ask on a professional networking site, what you do there, bud, what are you doing? Whatcha are doing? doing?

Jamie: 21:29

It's just yeah, a, it's been a place for people to just, I dunno, stroke their ego and

Rebecca: 21:37

Please do the dad one. Please do the dad. That's also my favorite one is Dads of quote unquote smart children who say the darnest things that's usually the one. It's like I was feeling really bad about not being able to do X, Y, and Z and my child came up to me and said something that, every CEO would love to hear them say. And I went, you know what? Wise child, that's a really good point. And that's actually my thought, but I can't say that'cause that's humble bragging, so I'll just make my child say it. So like it's a fun parable and then I'm putting it on

Jamie: 22:03

I just realized I'm stupid and I can just grab my phone. I was like, I don't have it on this computer'cause I wanna

Rebecca: 22:09

so the, so number one, just fucking say what you wanna say. And number two, why the fuck are you bringing your kid again? Why are you bringing your child to a professional networking site and bringing them into any of this? Go for it, Jamie.

Jamie: 22:20

this one's like out, this one's mocking people who do

Rebecca: 22:23

Yes, that's my favorite.

Jamie: 22:24

I love it. my 4-year-old froze on stage at her first ballet recital. I failed. She told me after the show, I looked at her heartbroken with tears in my eyes. No, I failed you. But today you've given me more than I could have ever asked for. You gave me a sad kid story to post on LinkedIn. Link what she asked. LinkedIn, I replied. A place where depressing personal anecdotes involving imaginary children are posted and mind for engagement in order to boost one's own professional identity. She looked at me confused, but Dad, I cut her off. Holly doesn't even have a kid. Yeah. Oh

Rebecca: 23:08

but that's exactly what they all are. My imaginary child said something under the guise of being wise when really, it's just something I wanted to say actually.

Jamie: 23:16

yeah. I should start. I should start doing that. Maybe. Maybe I need to become a LinkedIn influencer, you guys. Maybe this is it.

Rebecca: 23:25

Or the dads, I think we talked about that last week. The dads who take their kids on vacation, then post photos seven, he be like, oh my God, what an amazing, what an amazing man. He's just such a good man. Which again, has nothing to do with, can you do the fucking job I wanna hire you for?

Jamie: 23:37

Mm-hmm.

Rebecca: 23:39

I don't care about your life. I want to know if you can do the job and you posting. That kind of thing makes me reconsider hiring you and your judgment because why are you doing it? Why are you making this choice? What does that have to do at all with your ability to do your job? And I think you're doing this to distract us from the fact that you actually can't do your job. We're just supposed to think you're a nice guy and you're supposed to get by on just being like a really nice guy to work with, except you don't actually do the fucking work that I'm hiring you for. That's what I tend to think. But you know,

Jamie: 24:13

Oh, what was I just thinking? Um, uh, I lost it. I don't fucking know.

Rebecca: 24:20

cancer diagnosis is another big LinkedIn one where everyone either posts about like their own cancer or their mom or their invisible kid's cancer, like they're pretending wise children's cancer.

Jamie: 24:31

Like I would never, that's so personal.

Rebecca: 24:35

yes,

Jamie: 24:35

I would tell like my tiny few close friends and that's it. I'm not gonna

Rebecca: 24:42

and I understand like we want workers to know that they're people. But let's just be honest. When I'm trying to hire someone for a job, I want to know your skillset and how well you can do the job. I don't wanna know anything else that's going to cover like color my ability to hire you, right? Like I don't wanna know any of this.

Jamie: 25:01

Yeah, I have however seen posts that are maybe like a cancer post, like I have, or like I had this big medical thing and I had to like, take off work and I've seen a couple that are good. I think they focus on, this was my works policy and

Rebecca: 25:18

Oh,

Jamie: 25:19

not many people have this policy. You should consider having this policy. So if this comes up for anybody else. So like a leave, like an leave of absence policy or like medical leave policy. I know there's like FMLA and other shit, but, I think like the, these specific companies like really went above and beyond and they were like, I was able to do this and like actually take my time to recover, and get healthy before going back to work because of these policies. And people need to rethink like actually having these, So those I can get behind.

Rebecca: 25:55

No, and that's great marketing for the company they work at.

Jamie: 25:58

Mm-hmm.

Rebecca: 25:59

She said cynically.

Jamie: 26:01

Yeah, that's true, but I would, if I would wanna scream that from the rooftops if like the company I worked for did something so well like that helped me out immensely during a hard time especially.

Rebecca: 26:13

I've also seen posts on people whose partner have addiction issues, about losing weight or gaining weight, or their mom is dead or their pet is dead. Like really just, again, this is social media stuff, but it is not professional networking stuff.

Jamie: 26:29

Yeah,

Rebecca: 26:30

You know what I mean? Like there, there seems to be no boundaries anymore and. Yeah. As I'm saying this, I feel like maybe I'm just an old person and I wonder if like younger generations see things this way, but I just really don't wanna know you that way, coworker. I just really don't. Do you know what I mean? Like, I just, I just don't,

Jamie: 26:53

Yeah.

Rebecca: 26:54

I just don't.

Jamie: 26:55

I've seen just like weird pictures of like people on LinkedIn that like I've worked with closely and I'm just like,

Rebecca: 27:03

Mm-hmm.

Jamie: 27:04

are you posting this? Like selfie of yourself? Or

Rebecca: 27:06

Of your butt. Of your butt on LinkedIn.

Jamie: 27:08

a picture of like your butt and a bikini, I don't know.

Rebecca: 27:11

But there is the menace, there's LinkedIn's self-proclaimed menace who we did reach out to, and she's taken the art of crashing out on LinkedIn to a whole other level.

Jamie: 27:23

yeah.

Rebecca: 27:24

So she's a content creator and The copy is actually extremely funny and chaotic. and she gets engagement. So she's showing off, she's showing off her writing ability while also pointing out like the inadequacies and the lack of equity in the workplace and unfair work practices, right? So she's doing that, like she's crashing out, but she's crashing out in a way that displays what she can actually do and her talents. So she's taken what I originally was like, uh, about, and then managed to flip it into something that's admirable and like, oh my God, that's there. You're marketing yourself, which is what you're there to do. You're there to market yourself. So it's brilliant.

Jamie: 28:04

and I think that's another good example of somebody who's, maybe I shouldn't say another good example because that previous guy was not a good example, but another example, a good one of somebody who's a lot of the time she's saying what we all are thinking and wanna say and is that something like I would ever do like that? I wouldn't say never. But like I'm just saying currently like no, because I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna say fuck you, Robert, to some guy that like I may need as a connection in the future. but but yeah, but if I had my own thing and I was doing well and it was doing that and being like a LinkedIn menace, which she calls herself, yeah. I would just be like, yeah, there go all my fucks. let's get into it. Let's go.

Rebecca: 28:52

My favorite was a writer we fired for plagiarism, who then proceeded to post all this content about actually using AI to create your content and how it wasn't bad, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I said fuck you guys. I'll show you. Still not employed.

Jamie: 29:05

Yeah. And AI

Rebecca: 29:07

not employed by.

Jamie: 29:08

another that I think that's, people are like putting in a few key words and like having AI create their LinkedIn posts and then posting'em, that's another thing that's allowing.

Rebecca: 29:19

Eight.

Jamie: 29:21

LinkedIn to get so saturated. I do wanna point out, I know, I think, save that for in-person. It's more impactful. Oh. saying, fuck you Robert. Yeah, definitely Pat. I love that. ah, lost it. Oh. I feel like some people will be listening to this perhaps and say, that's why I don't use LinkedIn. LinkedIn is like awful. It's a spool. don't use it, don't be on it. But we, we find value in it. that's why I'm still on it because there's value in it for me. but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna complain about, the people who are making it less valuable for everyone. and also,

Rebecca: 29:58

is a super fun voyeurism aspect to it. It is. That is pretty great. That is my favorite.

Jamie: 30:02

too. hey, we're doing a podcast episode about it again. Something we don't like. I love us.

Rebecca: 30:12

And actually LinkedIn does include my list of enemies. So

Jamie: 30:17

Wait. What?

Rebecca: 30:17

like how we just brought that together. Yeah. LinkedIn does contain a list of enemies, so you know most of my enemies are on LinkedIn.

Jamie: 30:24

oh, you're just saying your enemies are there.

Rebecca: 30:26

Yes. Yes.

Jamie: 30:27

I thought you meant like you've curated a list of people on LinkedIn, like how you could make, lists on like Twitter, like back in the day.

Rebecca: 30:35

Ooh, that's a good one.

Jamie: 30:38

it's just like enemies. I was like a little concerned.

Rebecca: 30:42

I do have to say though, just a small tip. If you are struggling to market yourself on LinkedIn. As far as writing like your bio or your job description. I actually used chat, GPT, and I was like, Hey, I am really struggling to write my bio. Can you ask me questions back and forth about like how I would do things and what I would do, because I can't, I'm really bad at selling myself. Right? I always kind of underplay

Jamie: 31:04

It's hard. Yeah.

Rebecca: 31:05

a great, yeah, I did a great job of

Jamie: 31:07

Nice.

Rebecca: 31:08

actually here's how, you know, here's what you do. You're actually setting up processes and here's, you know, here's your way of thinking. And it helped me write a bio that actually showcased everything and it didn't feel like bragging. And so if you are gonna use it, I would recommend it for helping you write your bios and helping you write your job descriptions in a way that's impactful and uses words that are like leadership words.'cause that's another thing I'm not very good at. I'm just like, I did this. And it's no, you drove that and you were the one who managed that. I was like, you're right, you're right. LinkedIn, or you're right. Touchy teeth. That was, that was me. But it is really good for that.

Jamie: 31:42

That's a good idea with the questions back and forth.'cause what I usually do is I'll write something out and then I'll send it to chat GBT and be like, Hey, can you make this better? Or can you make this sound more conversational or funny or a little wittier, and it'll do that. But I like the questions'cause that I think can pull out.

Rebecca: 32:03

Let me show you it like it asked me. here, I'll read you like some of the questions, which were really great. So it said, sorry.

Jamie: 32:14

Yeah, we're gonna help you, we're gonna help you fill, make your LinkedIn look awesome, you guys, so you're

Rebecca: 32:19

like, what would you do, what would you do with a content library that was struggling? what was like, tell me, take me through the steps of what you would do, if you were given a vertical that was struggling and how would you fix it? And I was like, oh, that's a, so I went back and forth and it's okay, so you're SEO focused, you're revenue driven. You're, and so it, I was like, oh, that's. Actually a really good point. So it was able to pick out everything that I needed to say that a leadership would want to see.

Jamie: 32:46

And you can also leave what you don't want,

Rebecca: 32:48

Oh yeah. A hundred percent. And it helps you figure out the voice too.'cause I was like, this feels a little cold, but I don't want it like snappy mic, witty. I just want it to be neutral. And

Jamie: 32:58

I want mine

Rebecca: 32:58

so I sound like a person.

Jamie: 32:59

I wanna be snappy Mc witty

Rebecca: 33:02

I just, I still, I don't know. I'm afraid to be my full self on LinkedIn mostly because I know my full self. And I just wanna say that as a fun surprise for whoever hires me. I wanna save my full self as a fun surprise.

Jamie: 33:16

This is what I forgot about that I was gonna say is I saw a post recently, where a hiring manager was shaming someone for having a LinkedIn profile, but it not being really filled out. So they didn't have like their work history in it. They didn't even have a profile photo. And I do think that's worth it to have, but on the other

Rebecca: 33:37

that's what a resume.

Jamie: 33:38

yeah, but on the other hand it's like people don't have to have a LinkedIn. Like

Rebecca: 33:42

Yeah.

Jamie: 33:43

it's like they thought about doing it and then they were like, this is. Shit. So I'm not gonna be on here. And then they left, they're not gonna delete their account. And so I like they were saying that they wouldn't, hire somebody who didn't have a filled out LinkedIn. think that's

Rebecca: 33:58

You know what? She's probably the type of person who's I love your morning routine with sparkling ice water, and I'm also going to try that.

Jamie: 34:04

I'm gonna try that. But I'm gonna try it with, champagne next time. Only the nicest, most expensive champagne with ice. And I'm gonna dunk my face in it and blow bubbles.

Rebecca: 34:20

There a hundred percent is a lack of, voices of color there too. A hundred percent. It is mostly just CEOs and white guys being like, I wrote this book, eh?

Jamie: 34:32

And like the wealth gap is very obvious.

Rebecca: 34:35

Yes. Oh, for sure. All these CEOs trying to be like the next fucking Steve Jobs and inspiring them asses, and they just sound like giant fucking douche bags.

Jamie: 34:44

And it's just, yeah, I'm sick of people being like, you're just lazy. You're just not doing the thing. You gotta work hard and do the thing and then this'll happen for you. And it's Or is it that you had X amount of money or I don't know, or family money to go out and pursue your dream of a company you wanted to make and this is how you did it. And don't act like that's attainable. Like it was back when we worked, editing for like student loan content. And Do you remember what was it? There was like, we saw some stories come out where it was like, I. Here's how I paid off my 34$5,000 student loan debt. But then we'd read the story and like the first thing is my grandpa died, so I had$50,000. And it's of course. What do you mean? of course that's how you paid it off. What the fuck is this? Do you remember that? Those were everywhere.

Rebecca: 35:47

That's right. Yeah. So it has nothing to do with your fucking job or your, again, it's that humble brag, look at my fat ass wallet.

Jamie: 35:54

It's ridiculous.

Rebecca: 35:56

It's ridiculous.

Jamie: 35:56

Or the connections that just gave you the jump ahead. What do you mean the jump ahead? Oh, the

Rebecca: 36:04

Yeah. The people who, who hired your friend, hired you to run the company, Like you were

Jamie: 36:08

Oh,

Rebecca: 36:08

without having to earn your place. AKA daddy hired you for to be the next CEO.

Jamie: 36:15

And hey, if I could have done that. Like I would probably do that too. So that's fine, whatever. But don't pitch this to other people as I worked hard and like I'm not saying people with money don't work hard, but I mean they probably work a lot less hard than people without it. There was a couple,

Rebecca: 36:34

archetype, oh, sorry. no.

Jamie: 36:36

couple that was like, our parents let us live in their summer cottage and didn't have to pay rent for the first five years, so I just got to pay off my student loans in two years. Yeah, it's like that.

Rebecca: 36:49

the last one that. I hate to see, but for different reasons is the obituary, is the LinkedIn obituary and it's somebody who has died and it's like our colleague Susan, has unfortunately passed away. And then everything in that obit is just about who they were as a worker, her, and nothing about what a great per, and it's like basically this is how much money Susan brought in and she was the go-getter.

Jamie: 37:19

She was

Rebecca: 37:20

And and it's I never wanna see, I never want to be remembered for just who I was to my job. I think that was so soul crushing. And

Jamie: 37:29

That's awful.

Rebecca: 37:30

I, yeah, I don't wanna be remembered on LinkedIn and if anyone ever does that to me, I will fucking ho the shit out of you.

Jamie: 37:37

LinkedIn post for you. I'm ready. I'll just post the slideshow that I show at your funeral

Rebecca: 37:41

yeah.

Jamie: 37:42

and it'll literally just be like audio and like video and screenshots of texts where you're literally just saying everything that you wanna say. fuck you Robert. I'll do a fuck you, Robert, post for you when you die. Okay. On LinkedIn.

Rebecca: 37:57

that's true. Yeah. And then you can just,'cause again, I will be my whole self when I'm dead. That's fine. but that's what I mean. I

Jamie: 38:02

I'll finally be like my whole true self when I'm dead. That's so awful.

Rebecca: 38:08

I don't wanna be so much on LinkedIn and I don't want to give away so much of my personage that, or my personhood or whatever the word is. that's how people remember me. and she was a brilliant part of this community. no. I don't want that. I don't. And I think that's what I mean. It's I wanna know, I want you to know what I can do professionally. I don't want you to know anything else about my life at all. Period. Here's what I bring to the table for you as a hiring manager. The end. The end. And that's how it should be treated. And now it has become a way to make money. It has become a way to influence and it has lost the purpose, which is networking and also finding your ex-boyfriend and trying to figure out how much he makes and then figuring out how much more you make than he does.

Jamie: 38:56

So even at the same time, Rebecca,

Rebecca: 38:59

I make four times more just FYI.

Jamie: 39:04

but at the same time,

Rebecca: 39:06

'cause he's a government employee and his, salary is online.

Jamie: 39:09

that's also spending energy on these people.

Rebecca: 39:14

It's so worth it. I laughed so fucking hard. I almost threw up.

Jamie: 39:17

fuels her.

Rebecca: 39:20

Yeah, I almost threw up from laughing So hard.

Jamie: 39:22

were like cackling. You're like, ha takes off on a broomstick, this bitch, which, with her jelly shoe, Oh, ha. Finding your ex. I'm dead. She says. Yeah. Yeah. That's Rebecca. that's our Rebecca.

Rebecca: 39:42

you just have to do that. Have you curated like your LinkedIn profile picture? Like how much thought did you put into your LinkedIn profile picture though?

Jamie: 39:49

I don't have professional headshot that I like. I guess I do have some from SLH.

Rebecca: 39:55

Yeah. the one with our hands. that one with the pose. Do you remember? They like, she posed us weird

Jamie: 40:01

I don't remember.

Rebecca: 40:02

the weird hand stuff.

Jamie: 40:04

I think, what did I get to do? Oh, I was like, can I do a fun one? I did one where I'm I'm not gonna use it. Obviously I just wanted it for fun. And I think right at that time, like Max walked by or something and he was like, yeah, that's Jamie just walked by. He was like, that's about right. That's about right.

Rebecca: 40:22

Mine is a screenshot from this fucking podcast. that's how much, because I also, I just was like, eh, yank. And that was good enough for me.

Jamie: 40:29

yeah, I don't have any professional looking. Maybe I should put my podcast one on there or something like,'cause I don't have any professional looking ones.

Rebecca: 40:36

don't either.

Jamie: 40:37

I just figure put the one with the, my brightest pinkest hair and maybe that will be a

Rebecca: 40:43

'cause that's the other thing, people are gonna be looking at that, so it's I have to look clothed enough so you're not like, why is your ass on LinkedIn? And I need to look like, okay. Enough that I look professional, but not like I have a stick on my, it's so weird. Like it's it that's something I really, go ahead, sorry.

Jamie: 41:00

no, go ahead. That's something you really,

Rebecca: 41:02

No, I should say that's something I put more thought into than I wanted to. Like talking about my job is fine, but then the profile picture, and I guess just after 40 years of sexism, that kind of mess with me. It's like black and white. It is.

Jamie: 41:13

Yeah. That's fair.

Rebecca: 41:16

They don't need to know anything else. Black and white. That's all they get.

Jamie: 41:21

I don't, yeah, I don't think I like spend a lot of time on mine. I think I've, in my whole career, I've probably changed it like three times, maybe four. But I'm not super,

Rebecca: 41:34

just gonna,

Jamie: 41:36

what are you doing?

Rebecca: 41:38

I'm gonna go to that forum. so it's, there's a subreddit. I'm gonna put it in the comments. It's for insufferable LinkedIn content

Jamie: 41:45

yeah.

Rebecca: 41:46

and it is maybe my most favorite subreddit I've ever seen. we'll add it to the show notes. It is so fucking funny.

Jamie: 41:56

that's what I was looking, that's where I found some of those posts that I put in Discord. it is funny. It's pretty, pretty unhinged.

Rebecca: 42:05

Fuck yeah.

Jamie: 42:06

We should do like an

Rebecca: 42:07

get tested. if you are a mental health or psychological therapist and your IQ is below 1 25, consider pursuing another profession. that's fucking crazy. That's a crazy thing. That's a crazy thing to put. That's a crazy thing to put on LinkedIn.

Jamie: 42:20

that's like something you like text your bestie or something. You're like so and so doesn't even have Yeah.

Rebecca: 42:24

Oh, the biggest thing though that happened is remember that couple who was at the Coldplay concert, they were having an affair

Jamie: 42:30

yeah.

Rebecca: 42:31

and they found him immediately on LinkedIn. Oh

Jamie: 42:35

Yeah.

Rebecca: 42:36

God.

Jamie: 42:37

That's

Rebecca: 42:37

Yeah. I just.

Jamie: 42:38

yeah.

Rebecca: 42:41

I peed the bed on my honeymoon. Not exactly what of my proud, that's why Is that on LinkedIn? Why? Why is

Jamie: 42:47

Here are the five marketing strategies I learned from peeing the bed on my honeymoon. Like, why are these a thing people stop.

Rebecca: 42:58

Here's my favorite. Nobody LinkedIn influencers. Yesterday I was walking to an interview. There was a starving dog on the road, and I stopped to feed him and miss the interview. The next day I got a call asking to come in to do the interview. I was surprised that I went. Then the interviewer came in. He was the dog,

Jamie: 43:13

I saw that one. That's why I was

Rebecca: 43:16

that's exactly,

Jamie: 43:17

I saw that one, the person conducting my interview was the dog.

Rebecca: 43:23

yeah. Yeah. The biggest productivity unlock I found in the last six months, two hours every day with a phone. With no phone, do not disturb, sign on the door, no bathroom breaks. What.

Jamie: 43:36

what?

Rebecca: 43:37

That's fucking crazy. That's fucking crazy. Ozzy Osborne passed away. Here are the five things Ozzy taught me about startups in life. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Oh, here's the end of the bed pier. If you can survive peeing the bed on your honeymoon, you can survive anything business throws at you.

Jamie: 43:56

Is that a real post?

Rebecca: 43:57

wife, yes. If I was his wife, I would divorce him. Actually, we wouldn't even be married that much because if my husband peed the bed on her honeymoon, that would

Jamie: 44:07

You would be like, fuck you Robert.

Rebecca: 44:10

pretty much.

Jamie: 44:11

you Robert. Fuck you Robert. Speaking of Rob. Hi Rob. Look at Miss Thing over here with her Harlett red lipstick. You love it.

Rebecca: 44:20

Oh shit. It's a great subreddit though. it really is. It really is.

Jamie: 44:25

if you guys come across any of these like insane unhinged, fucked up LinkedIn posters or have stories like please share them with us in Discord, please,

Rebecca: 44:36

Oh my God. There's a LinkedIn lunatics Discord.

Jamie: 44:40

Ooh.

Rebecca: 44:41

That's amazing.

Jamie: 44:43

We should just join as the burnout collective, and then Ooh, actually, maybe we can

Rebecca: 44:49

had a company buy a 91. No, Jamie, this is so good. We had a com. Our company bought a 91-year-old employee Lexus. They walked him in and the car was there with a big red bow on it. Completely surprised he wept. Then the owners of the company wept, and then maybe some of us did too. This is why we come to work to represent our great brand. Okay, so let's fucking break that down. Why are you still working at 91 years old? Really? What the fuck is he gonna do with Alexis? Number two, that poor man should be retired and he's crying'cause he's still having to fucking work. That's why

Jamie: 45:17

because he's I shouldn't be driving right now. I shouldn't drive anymore. I'm too old.

Rebecca: 45:21

can't, I actually can't drive.

Jamie: 45:23

have cataracts. vision's just worse. It's really hard to see at night.

Rebecca: 45:30

My wife died in the car as we were driving home from a restaurant one night. I just really shouldn't be driving.

Jamie: 45:36

What the fuck. But then it's a murder mystery. Just kidding. And it's true crime.

Rebecca: 45:44

up. This is what I mean. And people think we're supposed to be like, oh my God, what a great person. And really I'm like, you're a fucking psychopath and I never wanna work with you ever in my life.

Jamie: 45:55

Oh my God. I appreciate the people that like poke fun and do posts like mocking this shit like satire. I do appreciate that though.

Rebecca: 46:04

Do you find work enemies on LinkedIn to see like what the recommendations, like what the recommendations are or like what people have said? I love to do that. Like

Jamie: 46:14

sure you do. Yes.

Rebecca: 46:18

Mostly men who don't do their work and make me do their work. I like to go in and just see what people have said about them and like, how fucking great they were to work with. That is my favorite thing. oh, he was so good to work with. He's so smart and brilliant. He's such a great editor. no, he's talking now. He's terrible to work with and I hate him. I can't stand him.

Jamie: 46:36

hmm.

Rebecca: 46:38

What are what? What are these recommendations? that's the one thing I love doing on LinkedIn. That has nothing to do with anything, but you know,

Jamie: 46:47

Like shaming all these people for doing things that like has nothing to do with LinkedIn. You're still doing it. You're just doing it quietly, like behind closed

Rebecca: 46:55

I'm not, right. I'm not, that's the difference. I'm not posting about it and I'm not telling anyone that I did it. That's the difference

Jamie: 47:01

Except all of our listeners, Rebecca.

Rebecca: 47:03

except for all three of our listeners right now. All three of you now know how I use LinkedIn.

Jamie: 47:14

Oh my God.

Rebecca: 47:15

Oh shit.

Jamie: 47:16

are there any other good LinkedIn stories we should read?

Rebecca: 47:19

Yeah. Here's one thing that pisses me off. The ability to put parenting breaks on LinkedIn that really fucking pisses me off. I understand why it's there, especially as a woman, but it angers me that I've never seen any man, have a parenting break on LinkedIn and it's only been women that really makes me mad.

Jamie: 47:36

Yeah.

Rebecca: 47:39

I know there's nothing I can do about it, and that's just me bitching and moaning, patriarch and capitalism. But I really fucking hate that feature, because it's used mostly by women.

Jamie: 47:49

Oh my gosh.

Rebecca: 47:54

Where did you go? What are you looking at?

Jamie: 47:56

Oh, I'm sorry. I was just looking at Reddit.

Rebecca: 48:00

It's great, right? Ozzy Osborne died, and here's what I learned about B2B sales. What?

Jamie: 48:05

Oh, thank you. And that's why Hika posts on LinkedIn are good because she, she mocks, she kinda, I think she mocks, but like she does so in a tasteful way, but she's still poking fun and doing like satire of that kind of shit. But she also then gives you something that's that's useful and that's helpful. yeah, I get that. I don't get, I almost drowned in Hawaii on family vacation. Here's what that taught me about being a leader. oh my God, we could come up with so many of these, like LinkedIn influencer headlines.

Rebecca: 48:44

Oh God. How I peed the bed on my honeymoon taught me about

Jamie: 48:47

Episode title

Rebecca: 48:48

business. God,

Jamie: 48:50

episode. Oh my God.

Rebecca: 48:51

don't pee the bed on your honeymoon. I'm taking my entire team to Bali in two weeks, and if you're not going, your life fucking sucks.

Jamie: 48:58

Oh my God. What?

Rebecca: 49:01

W one over the past year. The proudest thing I've built has been my team. We're crushers. We've studied at Harvard, Oxford, Princeton, Dartmouth, Stanford and Ashoka we're talented. We've worked at BCG, Bain, Bridgewater and McKinsey we're also nice. really nice. If you have to say you're a nice guy, you're not actually a

Jamie: 49:16

Especially after you say you're nice. really nice.

Rebecca: 49:18

Uhhuh.

Jamie: 49:19

yo, I'll tell you what I want.

Rebecca: 49:22

All 80 of us are going to Bali and that's a gang. Just FYI. That's a gang. Four days of exploring, walking in a monkey forest. I hope they get shit on and staring, whistling to endless rivers of rice patties. Oh, okay. Great. Wanna go join us? I'm hiring right now in our founder's office. I hope monkeys throw poop at him. I really do.

Jamie: 49:43

Oh my God. This post is Waymo is a game changer for working. Parents need to trade off baby duty between meetings. Just buckle them into a Waymo and send them safely to your partner across town. is serious. This kind of flexibility was unthinkable until now. So grateful for this technology. It's a picture by the way. I'll link to this here. Let me link to this pose. It's a picture of a Waymo with just a baby in the back, dude. Oh my God.

Rebecca: 50:17

Oh my.

Jamie: 50:19

does this,

Rebecca: 50:19

guy posted about his wife suicide and just from reading this, if I was his wife, I would also kill myself. Just saying, I get it.

Jamie: 50:27

God.

Rebecca: 50:28

I get it. I wish she would do that.

Jamie: 50:31

Does that work? Can you guys access that? That's hilarious.

Rebecca: 50:34

Also, have you seen the people who post emojis next to their names like an eagle and a flag? Have you seen like the CEOs who have like eagles and flags next to their name?

Jamie: 50:42

I'm still waiting for that, TikTok of myself with my eagle.

Rebecca: 50:46

Yeah. No, sorry.

Jamie: 50:49

That's okay.

Rebecca: 50:49

You can just wait. You can wait for a while.

Jamie: 50:54

That's

Rebecca: 50:55

It's just, I don't know. Here's one. Here's one confession. I'm six feet tall. But then it's just her looking insanely hot. come on.

Jamie: 51:03

I'm six feet tall. That's all it says.

Rebecca: 51:06

oh no. Every time someone meets me, they're shocked. Maybe I give petite internet energy, but I'm actually blessed with takeover the room. Tall energy. Since my work is mostly virtual, it almost never comes up. That's like saying, I have big juicy naturals. I have been blessed, and every time any coworker meets me, what the fuck? Why? Why are you putting that on the internet? My dude?

Jamie: 51:28

Oh

Rebecca: 51:28

How tall are you? Does it impact your work at all? That is so stupid. That

Jamie: 51:34

Wait, did someone comment that or are you saying that?

Rebecca: 51:37

No, that's what she put in the end of her post.

Jamie: 51:39

Oh,

Rebecca: 51:42

How tall are you? Does it impact your work at all?

Jamie: 51:47

oh my God.

Rebecca: 51:49

God, I hate

Jamie: 51:50

Oh, I just came

Rebecca: 51:51

You know what? Maybe this is us. Maybe this is how it should be, and this is just us. And the lesson that we need to learn here is that it's time for us to fucking get off the internet. Maybe. Maybe.

Jamie: 52:01

had an interview with an AI recruiter.

Rebecca: 52:05

Yeah.

Jamie: 52:06

I think, I don't know. yeah, if I need a job, I need a job, but if somebody was like, our AI is gonna interview you, I would probably be like, actually, no

Rebecca: 52:17

Our AI is gonna interview and take your baby to your husband across town. God,

Jamie: 52:25

safely. In

Rebecca: 52:28

if labor introduces a wealth tax, I'm leaving for Dubai with many of my other millionaire friends. I hate everybody. I hate everyone. Okay, I'm, I have to stop. I have to get off this because I can feel my blood pressure her.

Jamie: 52:50

Okay,

Rebecca: 52:50

And anyone who posts remote work is a scam. Go to hell.

Jamie: 52:54

here's, I'll do this last one.

Rebecca: 52:56

Please

Jamie: 52:57

I said no to another candidate today. That's 27 nos in a roll row for this role. Jesus Christ. And today I started to question everything. Am I being impossible? Chasing some mythical perfect person who doesn't exist holding the bar so high, I am hurting my team. Yes, the answer's yes.

Rebecca: 53:15

Uhhuh,

Jamie: 53:15

This role has

Rebecca: 53:16

picky bitch.

Jamie: 53:17

this role has been open for months. My team is stretched thin. Back to school season is just around the corner and we need to fill this role. But then tonight over dinner at the office, we were telling James how he's absolutely crushing it. He's inspiring others as an engineer with his customer obsession, AI and AI enthusiasm. AI enthusiast, there's a name to put on your resume, and speed at which he ships. He said, oh, so humble. You guys inspire me. You work your asses off. You care so much. You lead by example. An employee did not say all of these things to you. These are things that you're pulling out that you want people to know about you. And then you're, it's like the thing where you're pretending your kid said something. you care so much, you lead by example. And frankly, it's the whole team. Like I'm sitting across from Daniel who is so damn passionate every day. How could I not show up that way too? And it hit me. I'm not being impossible. I'm protecting something rare. When you find people that care, it's worth waiting for, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'd rather keep the seat empty and make my team fucking suffer. we're still hiring if you thrive.

Rebecca: 54:27

may wait. Hold on a minute. Did she actually put and make my team fucking suffer?

Jamie: 54:31

No, I said that. No,

Rebecca: 54:32

Oh, okay. I was just like, this is it. I have a new enemy. Okay. I'm sorry.

Jamie: 54:36

I was

Rebecca: 54:36

I'm sorry.'cause everything else sounded so fucking unhinged. It makes sense that she would put that Jesus, sorry. Sorry.

Jamie: 54:44

if you thrive in intensity, learn obsessively and actually give a damn. Maybe you're the yes. I've been waiting for, if you know someone like that, send them my way. Here's to hiring folks who raise the bar with a unicorn emoji. All right, we're done. Let's just show you guys. That's it.

Rebecca: 55:06

Wait. I have one more.

Jamie: 55:11

That face.

Rebecca: 55:15

Tonight at the dinner table, I was engaging with my 15-year-old daughter Zara, on possible careers, a very common and regular discussion with my teenagers. Out of nowhere. She blurts. I hope you never leave Mars, dad. It's such a good company doing so many good things there, and it seems like you have an amazing culture there. She then reeled off all of our Mars associate resource groups and the work they do, as well as covering off several of our local and global sustainability initiatives. I was floored. I hadn't realized, A, how proudly I must talk about my work at home, and B, how much our focus on environment sustainability and diversity and inclusion resonates with the next generation. You're reminding me again of how lucky I am to work for principles led business that truly believes the world we want tomorrow starts with how we do business today.

Jamie: 56:04

It's

Rebecca: 56:05

15-year-old fucking hates you and is going no contact the second she leaves for college.

Jamie: 56:09

Oh, I thought you were gonna say the second, like they see that was posted on your LinkedIn.

Rebecca: 56:14

No, she fucking hates your gut. And what she actually says was, I don't wanna talk about my day, dad. Just bring me the fuck alone. That's what she actually said. Your 15-year-old daughter who fucking can't stand you.'cause all you talk about is work and you don't care how her life is.

Jamie: 56:26

Oh my God.

Rebecca: 56:31

In short, if you're going to be on LinkedIn, be a fucking menace.

Jamie: 56:35

But it's also okay not to be on LinkedIn. Obviously people make that choice and I fucking get it. but I do think that's ridiculous that there are people out there that believe that wouldn't hire anyone who didn't have a LinkedIn or didn't have one filled out that's fucking dog shit. And like you don't wanna work for that person anyway.

Rebecca: 56:54

just keep it professional ish. Like it can be fun. Just professional ish. Ish. Just i'll, I will take ish at this point, please. Just ish. This is why. Yeah, no. Ugh.

Jamie: 57:08

That's why we can't have nice things.

Rebecca: 57:10

This is why I can't have nice things, and this is why everyone has crazy fucking coworkers like. This is just basically everyone's fucking crazy work coworker in one, one spot.

Jamie: 57:19

Yeah. God, I feel like there's so much data to be had about what people post on LinkedIn, like what percentage

Rebecca: 57:31

Oh my God. Like a word cloud. Oh, I wonder if there is a LinkedIn word cloud. Okay, hold on.

Jamie: 57:35

would be really cool. We're nerds. It's fine.

Rebecca: 57:39

Word clown.

Jamie: 57:43

Like you said a word clown. I'm like, yeah, there's a lot of that.

Rebecca: 57:47

Oh, word clown.

Jamie: 57:48

Maybe that should be my title. It's funny'cause I hate clowns.

Rebecca: 57:53

no there's not, but alright, so most common things said on LinkedIn. Nope. Okay. Nevermind. It's just coming up as marketing and like how tos.

Jamie: 58:08

Oh, you have time. We're doing an ad right now. So you have a minute and a half. Go ahead. You're still

Rebecca: 58:13

Oh no, I mean, really it's just like the most annoying things said on LinkedIn and how to avoid it and what to post on LinkedIn. Oh, okay. I hate everybody.

Jamie: 58:25

Did you see this post that's just all about oat milk?

Rebecca: 58:30

No,

Jamie: 58:33

There's nothing like inherently like wrong with the post, but it's like what? I'll, it starts, I'll never drink. I'll never drink oat milk again. Yeah. It's like it spiked my glucose and it made me crash. Since then, I've switched to unsweetened almond milk.

Rebecca: 58:54

That is Twitter, that is Facebook. That is not linked in content. That's like the text your aunt sends you.

Jamie: 59:00

It ends with just anyone else experience this with oat milk? Oh, and then a picture of her with a mug, like a selfie folding up a mug and smiling. I love this. I'm having a good time. Rebecca is not, Rebecca is not having a good time.

Rebecca: 59:26

I just wanna know, you've been looking for a job for how long now? Right,

Jamie: 59:31

Mm-hmm.

Rebecca: 59:32

and these people are employed and it just makes me question everything.

Jamie: 59:37

Fire them all.

Rebecca: 59:40

Buy them, like, why are they employed?

Jamie: 59:43

Yeah.

Rebecca: 59:43

Clearly there are better choices out there anyway, I.

Jamie: 59:50

Yeah. this was another good episode about things we hate tune in next week for more things we hate.

Rebecca: 59:59

I just, I don't know. We were supposed to talk about something else, but then then we saw something crazy on LinkedIn. I was like, yes, we

Jamie: 1:00:05

I, I baited you with this and you were like, oh, I could be

Rebecca: 1:00:07

you did bait me to the point where I immediately dug through years worth of text messages between you and myself to find those screenshots from three years ago with

Jamie: 1:00:18

I didn't even ask. I didn't even ask for them, you guys. I was like, oh yeah, I remember that. And she's I have the screenshots. And I was like, no, I remember it. It's fine. And she was like, let me send you the screenshots. And it was like 10 screenshots.

Rebecca: 1:00:33

But they're so fucking good. They're so

Jamie: 1:00:35

we're unhinged, but at least we're unhinged off of LinkedIn. Okay.

Rebecca: 1:00:40

Yes, we can be our whole selves when we're dead.

Jamie: 1:00:46

That's Rebecca's

Rebecca: 1:00:47

on LinkedIn. I'm just saying.

Jamie: 1:00:49

no, when you're dead it is gonna be on LinkedIn is the thing. Just as I'll ask fuck you to Robert.

Rebecca: 1:00:57

bug. You, Robert, God who says Jesus.

Jamie: 1:01:00

yeah.

Rebecca: 1:01:01

Anyway, we will let you guys know about our upcoming schedule. we have a couple of guests in the hopper who we're hoping to bring on, nothing concrete yet. we're gonna circle back and put a pin in that and take it offline.

Jamie: 1:01:14

No one has actually ever said to me in the hopper, so I'm thankful.

Rebecca: 1:01:20

God,

Jamie: 1:01:20

Or I was thankful, Rebecca.

Rebecca: 1:01:22

need more of a,

Jamie: 1:01:22

thankful. I'm

Rebecca: 1:01:23

need more vacation these two fucking days.

Jamie: 1:01:26

Yeah, you're working on it, baby. Baby steps. Rebecca, baby steps. Yeah.

Rebecca: 1:01:30

Yeah, we're working on it. Okay. But yeah, we'll let you guys know. thank you for joining us once again. we really appreciate it.

Jamie: 1:01:37

Thanks for being here. also, yeah, we'll let you know. You know when Mars is gonna come on once we reschedule with them.

Rebecca: 1:01:45

and please post any crazy LinkedIn post that you've seen in the Discord. Please do. Please share with us.

Jamie: 1:01:51

It doesn't have to be LinkedIn. You can post any me, me want. We love memes. But for this episode, yeah, we would love to see

Rebecca: 1:01:58

but people you actually know crashing out and posting crazy shit. Please show us. We wanna see this too. We wanna see it. Just show us.

Jamie: 1:02:08

but it's mostly

Rebecca: 1:02:09

That's all. Go away now.

Jamie: 1:02:14

All right. Linked out. Sorry. I wanted to say that at the end. I know. I hate it. I just was feeling like a dad.

Rebecca: 1:02:22

so much. We'll talk to you guys next week. See you next Thursday.

Jamie: 1:02:26

Thanks for being here, guys. See you next week.

Rebecca: 1:02:31

Okay, bye.

Jamie: 1:02:32

Bye.