Liz: 0:00

When I go to America, n the more y the more nri.

Jamie: 0:06

Rebecca hates her life right now. She's like, oh God, you two please.

0:13

I am Jamie. And I'm Rebecca. Welcome to the Burnout Collective.

Jamie: 0:21

Hello. Rebecca's daughter. MM if you're listening, I love you and you're amazing. So she drew and made this little raccoon for us. Look at this shit. Look at this cute raccoon. She has a present. That's you guys subscribing and giving us money, Rob, talking to you. So today we have with us the lovely, the beautiful, the all talented. Liz, a day,

Liz: 1:01

hi.

Jamie: 1:03

this is

Liz: 1:03

Thank you for saying those nice things about me. I appreciate.

Jamie: 1:06

all true.

Liz: 1:08

My goodness.

Rebecca: 1:09

We should say what she does. She's a singer and a musician, and an all around talented lady, and she gives a ton of good hair.

Jamie: 1:18

Oh my God. Look at this hair. You guys. I'm so jealous.

Liz: 1:23

nice to me. My goodness. I, I need to talk to people more,

Jamie: 1:27

Yeah,

Rebecca: 1:29

That's, we definitely all need to, I think

Jamie: 1:32

just us. Just talk to us more, I think is the, that's what we

Liz: 1:36

Oh, I'm here for that.

Jamie: 1:37

Hashtag team, Liz. Nice. Tell us what you're up to these days.

Liz: 1:42

Oh my God.

Jamie: 1:44

What isn't she up to? Ladies and gentlemen?

Liz: 1:47

I am, navigating burnout on the daily. Right now I'm pulling myself out of a spiral of burnout and a bit of depression and anxiety, which I, navigate and I have my entire life. it's just been a, a long journey of, a long road. Maybe we'll talk about. I'm open book if you wanna talk about that today. but I, I, I have I'm a producer. I'm, I'm not just a singer. I'm a singer that is a vocal warrior. I, I navigate vocal cord paralysis, if you can believe that. It's, something that I'm not cured from, I lost my voice from, but I am highly trained. And when I went in there with, even with the little tiny voice, which was pretty much like about, as, as loud as I could speak, as really small little read voice, of course it, I, I had to stop working. And in my duo at that point, I couldn't

Jamie: 2:44

How long was that that you had to stop

Liz: 2:47

Oh, that was a long time. They said, stop singing. I had to go on voice rest for weeks, which was quite a journey for me as a very verbal person. And, so that was challenging. But then also, you said no singing? Yeah, just for at least a year that like we have to see,'cause we, when you get vocal cord paralysis, they check for cancer and all kinds of things that could be causing it. And we looked me, I had a two hour MRI

Rebecca: 3:15

Oh my Lord.

Liz: 3:16

and that, revealed nothing. I don't know how long it lasts. I just know that, I could not stay silent and I was always, working on what little notes that I was ha having at any given moment. and I just, I listened to Barry White and Lou Rawls and stuff, and sing along with these notes down here, and I had about 1, 2, 3, and there's a video somewhere of me, demonstrating how, limited my range was. But, but it fluctuated and so it made me, it also was painful there. and that's not part of the dis there was also muscle tension stuff going on that's undiagnosed. We don't know that for sure. But based on my self-advocacy, I, I, I had this, I was going through an extreme. amount of external madness that was giving me, a lot of anxiety and, stress. I, I had the, the onsen boa and massage and, I walked out of there being able to speak, not like this, but much better before I, I couldn't answer the checkout. I couldn't, like if I went to go buy groceries and they'd be like, how are you today? I couldn't answer'cause I couldn't speak over the din of just people and sounds and the music radio or anything like that In a car, radio, people ask me a question. I'm like, it was really depressing. So I just went into a hermit mode and, I just continued to work on these little notes that I had and I created a bunch of trip hop, songs. I drum loops and things, and I, started, I turned to my community and second life, which is where I met Joel and my husband. And, and, because they're so open there and they're free, it was just, it was a, a nice way to flex muscles and, just get back into performing because I had no pressure. I was doing gentle, gentle vocalizing even, against doctors orders.'Cause this is really, how I cope with reality. Singing and, and playing music. And the, but the physical act of singing is a purge for me. And it's important. I have to give that energy. I have to give those vibes out, or I just, believe me, I've tried stopping music before because it's a really popular thing to get me to, in, in certain eras of my life, to get me to stop doing it, to get into this little mold, especially at my age. if it was gonna happen, it would be happening by now. You should be, rolling in it. Because I, I've been a lifer, a musician since I was in my teens. I am 50, almost 56 years old now. yeah, it, it comes up when I'm, I'm going through slumps like I am right now, financially going, I'm facing some challenges at the moment, but I'm investing and I'm, I'm not answering your question either. You, you have, sorry, I'm wondering. I will quickly ans

Rebecca: 6:07

that's, that's what this is here for. We are here

Jamie: 6:10

yeah. You did an, you did answer it.

Liz: 6:13

Well, but, but yeah, I got back into second Life and then I had, a trip to America to, spend time with family, but also, my voice mentor, Keely Whitney, who, is, she specializes in healing. So I spent about a month living with her, shadowing her, and also I got her the gig that I had to, make ends meet in a show called Wally in the Beavs in, it's like a Seattle, south Seattle area show. It's really a lot of fun. Yeah. It's a live music show and I, I played a bunch of different characters, but I got her the gig when I, left and, or I, I recommended her, I should say heavily for my position. And, so she was still working the show. and I came along and just shadowed her and I, I, I'd like, I was like, I'd like to sing a couple of songs, no pressure. But I used to play Marilyn Monroe in that show and, and that. Character worked out great for vocal chord paralysis because I had this little tiny voice, and I, I was just a kiss on the

Rebecca: 7:17

Yeah.

Jamie: 7:18

Sexy baby.

Liz: 7:19

Diamonds are girl best friend, just like really small.

Jamie: 7:23

I'm very turned on right now. Continue.

Liz: 7:26

yay. My job is finished. Goodnight.

Jamie: 7:29

Bye everybody.

Rebecca: 7:31

when you were on vocal rest, did you, did you find like it was a time where you really took care of yourself and treated yourself? Or were you impatient and angry with yourself?

Liz: 7:42

Yes. All of the above. It was so much, it was so confronting. I learned that I had taken my voice for granted all my life.'cause I always had it, it was my superpower. I was in, I was a painfully shy child. My mother is a brilliant soprano, opera singer. I would, I'm going, remind me to share with you her doing Mozart in 1982. I've got this, a recording of her, this bootleg. Anyway, it's,

Rebecca: 8:12

of Mozart. Love it.

Liz: 8:15

Yeah, love her. Love her. I, I don't know,

Jamie: 8:18

mom. We don't know you, but we love you.

Liz: 8:21

she'll eventually hear this. I doubt she'll be watching.

Rebecca: 8:23

Were you, were you able to connect with your mom over any of this? had she gone through anything similar or was she able to help you through this time?

Liz: 8:32

I, well, yeah, she, she's, it's really rare to have, more than, I was told that it's unusual to have a sibling or somebody in your family have the same thing happen as far as a vocal cord paralysis. but I, my sister has it and she's had surgery, so yeah, it's really strange. That's a strange thing. My ENT was like, what? So they're like, well, that's a strange, that's a, it was just another funny piece of evidence to a big giant mystery that they can't really figure out. But I think there's a lot, for my case, it's, connected with physical and mental wellness and tension and stress and oh, that's, that's another fork that I never finished, was that the, when I saw the ENT and he said, yeah, we don't know why, but you've got this and we don't know how to fix it. So maybe then, the sugar, the caffeine and everything. I, I learned on my own. And then he said, manage your stress. And as soon as, not long, really, not long after I left, and I was like managing that, my husband had a brain aneurysm and, a six hour craniotomy and we nearly lost him. And, it was like, I'm gonna be a caregiver if he, if he survives this, because I lost another partner to the same thing. He actually died. I never, yeah, there was no. Saving him. yeah. but so I knew what I was facing when, when I got the news that Rob had the, my robot had a, an aneurysm. so I'm like, that's, that's the next time I saw the ENT. I'm like, well, he's like, how's your stress? I'm like, what? Well, yeah. But Rob's, just so you know, Rob's, in the 5% club that comes out of this with, the cognitive Yeah, he's, he's amazing. when he woke up, and I think I told you girls about this, that it was, it was October, so I was like, oh, he, he looked like a cross between a light bulb and like Frankenstein. He had this side of his head was shaved and he had stitches along

Jamie: 10:31

super punk rock. Basically

Liz: 10:33

skull flap together. Yeah. Well, he did a selfie. He eventually, it was still in the brain water and he did a selfie, but with a filter that made it worse. So he posted that he didn't want anybody knowing what had happened. So he posted that on his socials thinking, I'm being really festive for Halloween here. I'm bringing Halloween to Australia, yeah. But, but yeah. So my ENT kinda laughed. I'm like, yeah, no, I didn't, I wasn't, I had to navigate some pretty heavy shit.

Jamie: 11:01

I just think the moment that the ENT was like even before that, the first time when the ET is yeah, just manage your stress. just saying that makes me anxious and stressed out if

Liz: 11:14

Yeah,

Jamie: 11:14

have you ever, have you ever been on like an update, ladies were like, you're not depressed. Like you're feeling okay. And then somebody in your life is are you okay? Are you feeling depressed today? And I'm like, I wasn't. Now I, I don't know. Am I perhaps?

Rebecca: 11:33

of tired.

Jamie: 11:34

Yeah. You looked tired.

Liz: 11:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know exactly what you mean. It's maybe,

Jamie: 11:44

You're like, of course I'm

Rebecca: 11:45

you also, you were also saying yesterday, which I found really fascinating, that you were finding ways to get around the paralysis. Like you said, you would contort your mouth to make the sounds you needed to to make, which is just, I

Liz: 11:59

Yeah. That's, yeah. It, that, that, that it, it, it was, it's not a conscious thing necessarily. It's something that my body just does because it's have you ever had chickens?

Jamie: 12:12

I'm sorry.

Liz: 12:14

I know it's a, it's, it's such a really weird little turn, but it has

Jamie: 12:17

Now you truly sound like you're from Oregon, by the way.

Rebecca: 12:21

Yeah. No,

Liz: 12:22

Okay, well, down here they're called the, I never had chickens until, living in Australia. And, they, they're chooks down here. We have chooks and we don't anymore, but a chook will hide. It could be like on death's door, but it'll fucking hide it, And, and, and I've just, I've, I've spent my career doing that, like masking and hiding, but it's a, it is a necessity as a showgirl to, know, suck it up, buttercup, get out there, the show must go on. I have to say I'm a better singer now than before. even despite my, ups and downs and the days that it's harder to hold my tone solid. and, if I'm having a bad day, I'll have to do several takes. It's sometimes it's so bad that it's just I'm just gonna have to hide that in a cacophony of voices and make, when I'm producing music recording, to say so.

Rebecca: 13:12

This happen during the pandemic? did you, when, when exactly did this happen? Was it before the pandemic or was it, was it during

Liz: 13:19

my voice. Oh my goodness. No, my voice went, it started pre presenting in, I wanna say late, or God, I wanna say 2017.

Rebecca: 13:32

Oh, wow. So it's been that long. I.

Liz: 13:34

Yeah, I, I had to quit. I think my last gig was a Christmas show, and those were really painful. physically painful, and also emotionally just stripping, because I just was like, what's going on? And the doctors couldn't tell me. I was still not quite diagnosed. And then, then I got the diagnosis and after seeing a bunch and, and if anybody's had dysphonia or like any kind of invisible kind of illness, I don't know. It's just, it's, so my, I've had experiences with, on that journey where they were like, you're fine, you're hysterical. Nobody could sing while being hysterical. I'm, I, I'm, I'm hysterical because can't fucking sing,

Jamie: 14:14

Let me ask you,

Liz: 14:15

And

Jamie: 14:16

did a man, perhaps a white man tell you that

Liz: 14:20

bingo, yes. Come to think of it. It was,

Rebecca: 14:24

They strike

Liz: 14:25

yeah.

Jamie: 14:26

They drink again. They're everywhere.

Liz: 14:28

yeah. And but, but then there was a woman who was actually in the industry who suggested that I was just too old,

Rebecca: 14:35

Oh, fuck

Liz: 14:36

I should just maybe, yeah, just maybe, maybe just hang it up because those days are gone.

Rebecca: 14:41

wow.

Jamie: 14:43

Oh,

Rebecca: 14:43

A girl's girl. A true girl's girl.

Liz: 14:46

yeah, yeah, no, there was a lot of rage involved. And I got to, really get in touch with those emotions during that challenge. And, Oh, let's talk about that for a minute. The challenge and the rage of being a female musician in a male dominated industry. I am a guitar player that that's, I, I play other instruments and, whatnot, but that's my main acts that I really gravitated towards. I'd say I really decided, I picked it up late. I always tried to play, I was not encouraged to play guitar. I was interested as little as I can remember. I must have been before seven years old because my sister wasn't born yet. We're seven years apart. yeah, I just remember being a little tiny girl wanting to touch it, I wanted to play that, but I wasn't allowed. it took until my late teens before I was able to get one for myself after hanging out with, a, a bunch of musos and artists and stuff like that and, can I borrow that or play that? And,

Jamie: 15:48

Yeah.

Liz: 15:49

just having a keen interest in garage bands and whatnot. And, but I, I, lost my train of thought I was talking about. Yeah.

Rebecca: 15:57

guitar. You were a teenager, you were suppressed, not

Liz: 16:01

Being a female and, and, and they were very, and it was all dudes of course, but they were, very supportive. But, long story short, I I, I eventually got a gig. I hadn't even been really playing, on my own guitar for long. It had been about a year, and I got a gig in a, cover band. I wasn't even old enough to be in lounges at that time. I was about 18, 17, I don't

Jamie: 16:25

exciting.

Liz: 16:26

Yeah. And, I, was really excited. I'm like, I'm making money. I don't have to work at the dress shop or the earring shop. I can do this. And, it really, in retrospect, I was getting paid very little, A very small wage. But, the band leader was really generous with allowing me to use his equipment. So I used the, his back line and his guitar was better than mine, so I used his. And, he taught me, this stuff that I couldn't work out by ear. He sat down and taught me, he showed me, I think he was the first guy to show me, God, what was it? The word escapes me. I'm freezing right now. Anyway, it doesn't matter. He was,

Jamie: 17:06

I knew. Music words don't.

Liz: 17:10

oh, now wanna say triads, but, no, no, no. I, I had those, but he was showing me different voicings of chords that were used in pop music at the time. We were playing covers in the eight, in the late, mid, mid to late eighties sometime, around there. I don't know.

Jamie: 17:23

What sort of what, which sort of bands did you cover?

Liz: 17:28

prince, which was great'cause I was big into, that, and funk and stuff. I, at the time, I, I was on, oh goodness, a long journey of only listening to three things. Kate Bush, Jimi Hendrix. Yeah, Kate Bush, Jimi Hendrix and King Crimson and that's it. Nothing else. But then, it was like Hughes his pop, thing. So I, I knew about Prince and stuff like that. So we were doing, that and then, Jody Whatley and Pebbles and whatever was popular, soul to soul, stuff like that. which I quite enjoyed. So it was funky, which is right up my alley. And, and, and so I worked that, but as a young guitar player girl, I was only met with sexism. When I would go into the music store to buy strings, I loathed to do it because it was like, oh, is this for your acoustic so you

Jamie: 18:21

Is this for your boyfriend?

Liz: 18:24

It was really just condescending. Like it was either thinly veiled or like open, just for your boyfriend all the time. All the time. I, I bought so, so many of those cry baby wall pedals, those big chunky ones. I, because I, I, I am a, a Neanderthal, I'm a really, really aggressive musician on stage. I, I, I just am really, I can be hard on gear too,

Jamie: 18:47

You're

Rebecca: 18:48

I was about, I was about to, I was about to ask, and this was also in the time of Joan Jett and the Gogos, And where it was. But then I was like, no, that's a stupid question.'cause even they got a bunch of shit for it too.

Liz: 18:57

yeah, well it was, it was on the heels of that, that was not. maybe Joan had a, I don't know. It was

Rebecca: 19:04

and he had Hart too who played the guitars, right? Like she,

Liz: 19:07

yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, it, it wasn't, and then, and then in the, in the, in the late nineties, we had Meredith Brooks come out and she, she was the, one of the first musician females on the cover. One of them, on the cover, if not the first on Guitar Player Magazine, I

Jamie: 19:27

Meredith Brooks of all people.

Liz: 19:29

yeah, yeah. Well, she's, she's a badass. she totally

Jamie: 19:33

Yeah,

Liz: 19:34

Yeah. yeah. Yeah. So it's taken

Rebecca: 19:37

let a girl on the cover or that it was Meredith Brooks?

Jamie: 19:41

me. Oh,

Rebecca: 19:43

Yeah.

Jamie: 19:44

I'm surprised that like she was like the first

Rebecca: 19:47

Oh, okay.

Jamie: 19:48

cover. Yeah. Thank you

Liz: 19:49

don't know if, if she's the first or one of the first, I wanna say the first, but my, my, my facts get mixed

Jamie: 19:55

okay. We fact,

Liz: 19:55

But I know,

Jamie: 19:56

We'll fact check. We'll fact check later.

Rebecca: 19:58

Were, you were given shit for doing what you do, and then I'm guessing there wasn't a community of female guitarist or musicians to find support in either. Right.

Liz: 20:08

I didn't, I didn't really meet, in person, another peer that was like me as far as one of the guys. And I had this big chip on my shoulder too, by the way. This is what I'm building up towards the big chip on my shoulder about being, I, I, I got really bitchy about it. I'd go into the music store, what was it, even Guitar Center and be like, just I went in with my booking agent once, and he said, you scared me. You, you, you frightened the shit outta that, that, that, that clerk. I've never seen the side of you. And I'm like,

Jamie: 20:42

What'd you do?

Liz: 20:43

I, I don't, I don't remember because I just, I like, I just get really, I just put on my armor and I'm like, I want this. No, not that. No, I want this. I just get really assertive and that's, I'm a very sweet person and a very soft, gentle person. But when I go in, maybe not now so much, but back then I was very pissed off about all these years of that shit. And, and,

Jamie: 21:05

You're like, and know this isn't for my boyfriend, it's for my fucking vagina. that's what I would've said.

Rebecca: 21:10

If it helps Liz, there is a woman on TikTok who is a master guitarist. She's a master guitar player, and one of the things she does is she will take her camera to a guitar center with her, and then she'll just plug in her guitar and then play like the opening bridge of a really popular song, like Smoke on the Water. But she gets a couple notes wrong and then just men flock to her. Yes. And it's the

Liz: 21:31

That's not the way it

Rebecca: 21:32

thing. Yeah. They get so mad about it and they have to immediately correct her, and they have no idea who she is. It is the funniest thing.

Liz: 21:40

Oh,

Rebecca: 21:41

it's like she's taking that rage and just like turning it

Liz: 21:45

I love that. I love that so much.

Jamie: 21:49

Do you know

Liz: 21:50

but my,

Rebecca: 21:52

I will find it and we'll

Jamie: 21:53

Okay.

Liz: 21:55

okay, my, my first real, p well, I met Lizzie Daymond, who is a wicked musician. the other Lizzie, I used to call her the other white Lizzie, when I met her, she was, a bass player. But I, and then I learned about her guitar chops, which are, she's great. She's a big heart fan. And now she's playing in a, a heart band called Heart to Heart. And, playing the part of. Nancy Wilson, but not, they don't do the costuming and stuff like that. They do have a, an Anne Wilson up up front who's quite, quite nails it. it's really, really un uncanny. She's great singer, great band, but they have two of the original members in that band, so it's more than a tribute band. It is a, I don't know what you would even call that. but, but that, she's doing that now. so she was one of the first, and then I met Stephanie Smith, who is the closest thing to Michelle Pfeiffer that you've ever seen. And she plays guitar by her behind her back, she's just, she's a, she's a dream. Yeah. So those were my two women, and then I, I hired them both into a show that, we worked in for, I, I wanna say several years. Like it was a different era anyway, but it's, it's still an entity. Stephanie's still in that band, but Lizzie's gone off to do the heart reviewed. So

Jamie: 23:19

Nice.

Liz: 23:20

anyway.

Jamie: 23:21

I love that. I know you and I were talking a little bit about, if you don't wanna get into this, we don't have to, but we were talking about you doing shows. Remember we were talking about, don't, people should not comment on other people's bodies. Do you remember that conversation we had?

Liz: 23:37

I, I do, and I'm happy to talk about the body shaming of, and the, the standard for. For women in this industry. Yes. So ask away.

Jamie: 23:49

I, we tell, tell away. You had told me a specific, a specific story when you were

Liz: 23:56

Yeah. Sick. I was sick. I was anxious. I was, in emotional crisis and I was unable to keep food down, or sleep. I was going through a really bad emotionally turbulent time, and I was facing, external stress that was just triggering me. and I lost weight, of course. and I've always been, curvy. even when I was, let's back this up, even when I was a child and I went to, agencies to, get into show business and get, get some money working, they'd be like, yeah, but you need to lose about 10 pounds. And I'm looking at pictures of me back then, and I was not a, a chug chubby girl, but they're like, yep, you're chubby. You need to, lose like 10 to 15 pounds. I would've been sick. I was sick at this point in the story. I was, working in music and doing shows and stuff like that, and I was sick. And, the, my boss from that show said, Hey, whatever you're doing, don't stop. don't stop. You look great. And even other guys in the show were like. Thank you. You are so fun to look at. I'm like, wow, wow.

Rebecca: 25:07

that's what I'm here for is for you to fucking look at

Jamie: 25:11

Yeah.

Liz: 25:11

yeah. But, but that's a part of it, It's a part of, the, the, the whole thing is like yeah, young, young and skinny and, and weak, is the, you need. And I, I remember when I turned about 20, when I turned, when I turned about 25, I was encouraged to lie immediately. start lying about your age. Say you could pass for, 20. say you're 20, don't don't, or 19 even don't say you're 25 and as you get closer to the dreaded 30, you're done. but never let them know. I just, but I wouldn't do that. I didn't, I didn't, I just didn't, Ugh, don't ask, don't tell. It's like the age thing. It was a big deal. It was a big, big deal. But I was discouraged from being, upfront about my times around the sun. Um hmm. Yeah.

Jamie: 25:58

That's so fucked up. Yeah. I'm sorry you went through that and I'm sorry I made you tell it twice, but I just,

Liz: 26:04

Oh, I don't mind. It's, it's like therapy. Thank you.

Jamie: 26:08

Yeah. I just think that's a big thing with me is like never comment on somebody's body and Yeah.

Rebecca: 26:16

You said something yesterday.'cause I was like the, you know, with everything that's going on right now. I was thinking the answers was gonna be like, it's really hard to find creativity and make work, but you're like, no, it's just pouring out of me. I think you called yourself like a conduit. You're like, it's

Liz: 26:30

Yeah, it's,

Rebecca: 26:32

in the face of that.

Liz: 26:33

it's a challenge. It's exhausting to keep up with my ideas. Sometimes I get up in the middle of the night and I'll, I'll send myself a message when I'm very nearsighted. So I'm like, I can't find my glasses. I, if I had the migraine pillow on my head, a weighted thing on my head, my eyes are all extra squished and I can't see. So I'm like, just doing it by braille, and sending myself messages is sometimes it comes out what? other times I'm like, ah, that's a really good idea. But, but even the weird things. So I'm like, what? Is that what

Jamie: 27:02

It's like writing down, like writing in a dream journal when you first wake up. it's probably very similar. I started doing, if I had ideas, I would just,'cause I wear an eye mask to bed too, to no light please. Just darkness. and I just grab my phone and I do like the, the like voice memos. I'll just be like, remind me. And then I'll be like, about the monkey with the purple butt and the,

Liz: 27:26

Yes.

Jamie: 27:28

and it's so good. I don't have to see anything. But then I wake up and I'm like, what the fuck is this? I may have even sent Rebecca one when we were just starting the podcast where it was like a voice message to her. I don't know, maybe

Rebecca: 27:40

I think there was one. I I was like, Jamie, what are you? Yeah, it was, it was, it,

Jamie: 27:46

it seemed very important at the time.

Rebecca: 27:48

it wa I, what was it? It was, it was very important. I was like.

Jamie: 27:51

3:00 AM 3:30 AM Yeah.

Liz: 27:54

Yep. Yep. I, in fact, I've done it recently. Why? Let's see what I did. I'm just curious. Now we could talk

Jamie: 28:01

I love

Liz: 28:01

while I look. Yeah. Sorry, I'm opening my Gmail. I, I know I sent myself something. Oh, I'm going to go, where is it? let's find it. Liz. Where's Liz? Where? Liz To Liz. I email. Okay. Misunderstanding. That's one of them. Cool song about, that's a different thing. We've lost a universal language of ourselves. The people lived with a communal language and it, but it came out communist. That's interesting.'cause I've been post, I've been, anyway, I've been correcting people on the word, communism and socialism and, other things. on social media. It's like pissing in the window. sorry, mom. the, the people lived with. Communal language, but it was lost to greed and pride, a costly mistake. This is a biblical thing. And it just had come up somehow, and then I dreamt about it. that's another thing is I'm, I'm trying to find, this is another fork in the road, but I'm writing a music thing, a live music immersive art. Thing. It's an experience. It's, I'm applying for grants and I'm writing, writing, writing. But, the, the idea is there's so much division and it hurts my heart. People are angry and rightfully people are, but, but they're being hateful. And that concerns me because I feel like it's counterproductive, the, for the solution. I know it's, look, I've been in the place where it's it'll never fix. It's just, it's, it's ruined for, well, I'm gonna burn the dog. I've been that guy too. I'm like, but, but part of me is just, I, I get up and I chant and pray and, and, meditate and visualize and everything. I can think of the same thing I did when my husband was in ICU. I'm doing it for humanity right now. I cry buckets of tears every day. And then I imagine I, my heart fill up with love and I see it's like visually as rose petals and I collect it and I just shoot it outta my hands to the sky. And I just do. And I'm just like, come on, planet Earth. Truth, love,

Jamie: 30:10

you guys. I love you.

Liz: 30:13

I know exactly. This is a punk way of doing it, but this is what, what I'm doing is, I'm finding ways that people can connect on these, on these really fundamental things. I don't know, let's just, people are trying to argue me on Webster's dictionary, definitions of things. Well, that's this a part of the deep, and I'm like, whoa, okay. there's only so much you can do, but if you can bring,

Jamie: 30:37

on the internet. Who knew? Who knew?

Liz: 30:40

Christianity is being used as a political

Jamie: 30:44

Mm-hmm.

Liz: 30:46

and these values aren't being, I'm just, I'm just asking questions about these values and, and that, and, but I'm doing it in a pal. I'm working the wrong camera. I'm doing it in a palatable way. that's my goal. it's going to make, it's gonna piss people off no matter what. I wrote a Christmas song a couple years ago that I never shared with anybody, but my Patreons and welcome along by the way. I love you. but,

Jamie: 31:12

everyone please, join Liz's Patreon. I'll get a link. I'll get a link to it while she continues.

Liz: 31:18

It's, it's cheap as chips really. Or you can spend, I, I've, I went in there and, from the law of attraction and all these different kinds of, ideas on how to turn my ship around so that I can, continue my work. I, I, I added some tears that are pretty extravagant. everybody gets the same thing, but if you feel like you wanna join for a couple grand, well go on. go for your life. I made it available, in case somebody does. And that would be life changing. But you can also get on for five Australian dollars for, I'm thinking a lot of us are in America here. I know we have Canada and you're about in the same as

Rebecca: 31:57

yeah. Well, Canada's gonna be the 51st date in, soon anyway, so that's fine. It's pretty much America

Jamie: 32:01

God. Oh God. Oh God.

Liz: 32:03

I just threw up a little,

Jamie: 32:07

It sounded so real. Are you okay?

Liz: 32:11

sorry.

Jamie: 32:11

No, you're fine.

Liz: 32:13

that was a, that was a, that was a, a fork in the road where I've lo I've lo Oh yeah, because I found that the, the latest email that I sent myself, in the night. But I've done things like, don't forget you have to report this week. So I made myself a little mess, alert alarm to remind me that I need to report in, in, in the morning. And it didn't say report. It said, oo. And, and, and I kept it because it's so good. Oo.

Jamie: 32:42

Liz, I have done this exact same thing, but it's usually I do like voice to talk, but it like thinks I said something else and it'll

Liz: 32:51

Yeah.

Jamie: 32:51

in my reminders as like the wrong word, but it makes me laugh, so I keep it. I love that.

Liz: 32:57

No, no. Love that so much. And that, that's a great segue into, I told you about, the, because when you are an independent artist, you gotta come up with a, a label, you gotta come up with a vanity label name. And I, I didn't think about it until, I was faced with it when I was, releasing music again, which started in 2023. Thanks, Joel. Thanks, drew. Thanks Allison. Thank you. My, zoom group for saving my life. Anyway, I, I was looking for a name for the, the label, and I was, what am I gonna call it? and then I remembered when my husband was, recovering. Well, he's, yeah, from, from his surgery, every now and then, he still struggles. He just, can't do mouths in his head as brilliantly as he did. as it turns out, my robot is, brilliant brain too. I seem to go for those.

Jamie: 33:47

Yeah.

Liz: 33:48

I kind of, I I've, I'm attracted to brains really. I, I like, I like brains. It's just, I think that smart is sexy and, that's just those are my turn ons being smart.

Jamie: 34:00

like being smart and being sexy. That's what I'm turned on

Liz: 34:03

And yeah, being kind to, to animals, children and people. And that's also really sexy. But, so Robert, my Robert was, trying, we had just gone in to a funeral for a young man who was, my stepson's best friend, and he was a lovely guy, and he was killed in a car accident. I know. It was just gutting. And, so we had gone to that and very emotional day. And the whole family was just like, just buckets of tears. We were really, really sad. And we had all gathered back at the family home and we were sitting there and, having cups of tea and biscuits as you do. And, and then Robert was like talking about how lovely Logan was. And, and then maybe some other kids weren't he want, he was trying to say the sharpest, the

Jamie: 34:51

tool in the

Liz: 34:51

sharpest tool and the tool. Yeah. Or, or however, but he had said instead, oh, that's a different one. I'll get there. He had said, not the sharpest shit in the fridge. And I never forgot. We laughed and laughed. The whole family just broke into just peels of laughter. We all, all needed.

Jamie: 35:09

Why is there shit in the fridge?

Liz: 35:12

I know it's just he does nons, sequitous like that, that just, outta the blue. And he, and then he just laughed and we all laughed and he said, oh, it's fun, it is fun, being old with brain damage, or whatever. And I'm like,

Jamie: 35:21

with

Rebecca: 35:22

to be saying that now. So he, he's onto something.

Liz: 35:26

yeah, it's fun getting old. so he finds just what we find joy in, But then we got, to, to help him along in his healing. We got, some kayaks.'cause we lived right on this beautiful lake, so we managed to get these beautiful kayaks and, we needed, it is so close, we could just roll them there if we had a trolley to do But at the time, we didn't have a trolley. And then, I was shopping for little trolleys for our kayaks. before we got the trolleys, we just load'em up in the car and then park the car and then dump the kayaks and then you'd go back and, so it was a hassle. so I found these trolleys during lockdown and, I'm like, look at these. And and he was talking about them and he wanted to say trolleys, kayak trolleys, but he said Jo w and Kka Wackers.

Jamie: 36:16

Wait, why have I heard? Why have I heard that? Did you say that to us before?

Liz: 36:19

yeah, I, I, I told you that there was the name of my, vanity

Jamie: 36:23

Oh, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Liz: 36:24

KAA Studios, so yeah. Jo Joly, Walker, KAA

Jamie: 36:28

You didn't tell me the story though. You were like, that's a story for

Rebecca: 36:32

we literally were just like, it's an Australian, we literally thought it was just

Jamie: 36:35

Yeah. Well, I don't know about that, but

Liz: 36:38

Yeah.

Rebecca: 36:39

oh, okay. I did. I thought it.

Liz: 36:43

I, I, I just, I was just giving a friend some co I was just giving a, a young man in America, some, some pointers on how to talk to an Australian that's coming to his shop. And I, I just gave him a few pointers as far as a few colloquialisms. and, I just said, let's, what's, what's the first thing? Oh, yeah. Yaka

Jamie: 37:05

What's

Liz: 37:06

means work a hard yaka like you are hardworking, hard

Jamie: 37:10

I'm a hard yacker according to Joel. So

Liz: 37:13

hard

Jamie: 37:14

Ha. Yakka

Liz: 37:16

hard yaka. And, to take a break is smoko. So if you're gonna take a break, I'm gonna go have a smoke.

Jamie: 37:22

Even if you're not smoking. I love that.

Liz: 37:25

Like it, you could be having a Smokeout having a Sanger, which is a sandwich, so that's a smokeout. Yeah. So you could just be sitting down having a smokeout, you're having a break. and, and the list goes on. There's so many good ones. But my favorite, I think, is fair Dinkum, which means legit or authentic.

Jamie: 37:43

Fair dinkum.

Liz: 37:46

Fair, fair, fair. Dinkum. Yeah. I'm trying to say fair. Fair. I know it's weird. I I speak weird. It's, it's weird.

Rebecca: 37:54

You're

Liz: 37:55

what is that a pet peeve

Jamie: 37:57

no, I, she was laughing at us. I just pick on her. I pick on her. What'd I do?

Liz: 38:03

by the way? It's winter here and it's chilly in my studio, so I'm like rugged Up in fluffy. Yeah. Whew.

Jamie: 38:11

Also, your companion is missing ahead, so I just thought you should know.

Liz: 38:16

My companion is

Jamie: 38:20

Oh, there it is. Excellent.

Rebecca: 38:23

Perfect. It's perfect.

Liz: 38:25

you, yeah, you can always find, my Dark Veda antics on YouTube. If you do a deep dive, you're gonna find some really

Jamie: 38:33

we'll, we'll put it in the show notes so you guys can find it immediately. Don't you worry?

Liz: 38:38

I actually have a playlist from this dumb, like lockdown show series that I did called The Interview. And, it started with Marilyn Monroe ish, meeting Elizabeth Taylor ish, who was running an agency. And, the, her boss, what was his name, Mr. Monkey Down. And, the, it just ridiculous. And then I was the receptionist. Sylvia. Sylvia, and

Rebecca: 39:06

we gotta get you on TikTok. We gotta get you on TikTok like yesterday,

Jamie: 39:09

Are you on TikTok?

Liz: 39:10

yeah. Yeah. I just am not, I'm look the, so well, yeah, I've done things. Even my, my child alias is also on TikTok. I've just, I've got socials. I just am not very active. I get, see, I get burnt out and I find it, tedious. And one of my favorite times in social media when, was when Drew suggested that I just do artful weird videos, which, that and then don't say anything. Just do like maybe one, tag and just say something, not like I have a new single coming out. Just be like something that, like a lyric from the song or something that people might go, what, what is, and click. That I like doing that. Okay. But even that, I'm like, oh, I got, I got a song in my head. I gotta go, I'm, I'm working on, I'm chasing music right now. I am mixing an EP for a sync assignment is, and

Jamie: 39:59

Tell tell everybody what a sync assignment is.

Liz: 40:02

oh yeah, sync, sync licensing is like what, the music that you hear on the commercials and the music that you hear on those reality shows, that's a lot of sync opportunities on those reality shows because they use a crap load of music, and films and, TV and whatnot, video games, YouTube, the TikTok and, and, and everything. sync licensing is the, that process, they license the music to sync into their thing,

Jamie: 40:31

Have, have you ever done music, oh, sorry, go ahead. Sorry.

Liz: 40:35

No, I was, I was gonna say, I, I, I used to make a nice living out of it in the, mid to late nineties. and that even afforded me that, that paid me a living wage. I would, it was good. And I lived like a middle class person as a musician, and it was amazing. That was a really fun, creative time in my life. but then things changed. in the early knots, I'm gonna say I really noticed my royalty checks looking like bad and unlivable around 2006 or seven. it has something to do with, BMI and ascap. the pros, oh my God, so many acronyms. Sorry. the en the entities that handle your royalties and everything like that, that keeps track of that. And, they, they just, music got devalued, we'll just put it that way. Deeply devalued, devalued to the point where, you know, your, your big, big stars or whatever, your Beyonces and whatnot might have a little dip, like going, oh, just a, but people like me devastated,'cause I couldn't live off of those checks anymore. They went from being like, a few grand a quarter to, A, a few hundred or less, a quarter for domestic and international royalties. but anyway, why am I talking about this sink, my sink assignment that I'm on right now? I'm, I'm, I am, I've been obsessed with, and I'm learning about, and preparing myself to be a producer of music for syn licensing as a sustainable act, because I no longer wanna play pubs.

Rebecca: 42:09

Ask Liz, I'm gonna ask a really silly question. and if you've told us already, I'm sorry, I don't remember with, with what you're doing, are you making songs like, are you figuring out where to insert your existing songs or are they just we need a song that sounds like this and you're like, here I have one. Or do you have to write it like on the fly?

Liz: 42:27

Yeah, yeah. This, this, yes to both. this, this assignment right now is, particular. Opportunity to get in with a really heavy hidden industry. It would be a big leg up, for, for, for me. and they, they are looking for a specific sound, and I've been given a six song playlist to emulate these six songs in a way that is still uniquely mine. And that's one of my gifts and talents. I, I, I enjoy that. I, that is a fun thing. But then also, change the lyrics around to be sync friendly, which is, there's a huge list of sync friendly themes. I'll just give you a little example, like resilience and, achievement and platonic love, like friendship and family. there's just so many love songs out there to pick from. just, there's just like a really, long list of, of things like that. So I keep it in that,

Rebecca: 43:29

and if you switch words up close enough, then it can be also Christian gospel worship music too. It just depends. You just gotta switch a couple words in those love songs, and then it's like a whole other genre.

Jamie: 43:40

Now we're singing about God. Now we love God.

Rebecca: 43:43

Right?

Liz: 43:44

are talking about South Park? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know that that's a great episode. and it's funny that you mention that because from my, music, live immersive experience that I am going to have manifest that I'm working on really, really, hard, it is cool because the sync assignments are bleeding over into that, because it's positive. And that's part of my message is unity and positivity. One of my songs, on the, that, EP is, Odette OTA from 1970, a song called Cut and Dry, or I, I can't remember, but the, it's about being an individual. So I went there, I was like, you be you. I'll be me. We could respect each other's individuality. It's called individuality. So I'm using that for the show, but I'm also using it to pitch for whatever sync I can get, and, and to get in with this entity by my, a peer that well appear. He's, he's, he's another mentor, I think. Drew's my mentor, but this guy's becoming a sync mentor

Jamie: 44:52

But Drew's your favorite mentor. Drew's your favorite. Drew's your favorite.

Rebecca: 44:56

Oh, she didn't say yes. Okay.

Liz: 44:59

I'm going to, I'm, I'm gonna say I, yeah, like of course he is. Of course he is. He's brilliant. He's brilliant and funny. He's funny as hell. the thing that, one of the things that I love that, drew and I connect on is this dark sense of humor and, yeah. So anyway, yeah.

Jamie: 45:16

I

Rebecca: 45:16

What I find really interesting, Liz, is that, so I would imagine with creative work, having like a proverbial gun to your head on like, okay, you have to write these songs in this amount of time for this specific thing. I feel like that would hamper the creativity process. And then I would just be like, well, then I don't wanna do it.'cause it's not art. But as an editor, like if you have to write something on the fly, it is an assignment. Well just get it done. And you can't be precious about it. do you, is it like, do you just pour all of yourself in there or do you feel like you're holding back at all?

Liz: 45:50

I absolutely stand behind the music that I make. Yeah. And be, like I said, I'm using it in the show. It's not, this is music that I would be, I'm not writing about, I don't know if you ever watched Beverly Hills 9 0 2 1 oh. But there was this one scene where David, the musician was really butt hurt because he got a gig doing. Some sink licensing, and it turned out to be armpit music. It's for a deodorant commercial, and he was really just angry about that. so I'm, it's not like I'm, writing about, things that I don't stand behind. Yeah. So I get to write about empowering things. Now I'm full stop against

Rebecca: 46:30

and, and they don't, they don't own the music. you still get to retain the rights to your own music too.

Liz: 46:35

Yeah. That's what the pros are about. That's what ASCAP does.

Rebecca: 46:38

Really interesting.'cause like with what we do, Liz, we don't own it anymore. Like the publication we write, like, or we, they own it. And so a lot of writers and editors have their own like side projects that they're working on that's all their own. And so we're used to like creating in the dark. It's, it's fascinating that you just get to put it all out there and you still own it. And

Jamie: 46:58

that's great.

Liz: 46:59

Well, yeah, don't get me, don't get me wrong. I have pieces that are not ad friendly. but the thing is ad friendly is what gets your foot in the door. I want, I've got pieces that would be great for a movie.

Jamie: 47:10

Or just

Liz: 47:11

really good for a film. Yeah.

Jamie: 47:13

open up more opportunities for you? if you have this connection, this new connection now for what you're, like the sink you're doing now?

Liz: 47:22

Potentially. I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around what just happened. I went from I want, I want, I want, I need, I need, I need to take charge of my career. I, I always wanted to get back into sync and I've never done it alone. I've never, I've only ever, like the sync that I did in, in the nineties was, collaboration. And I didn't do any of that paper. I just signed the papers, and, and put it into my PRO. I didn't do any of the, the heavy lifting when it came to, like what I'm having, what I'm doing now. and, and not only that, but, drew has been mentoring me and, honing my production skills to the point where, the, the idea is to get me to the point where I can do it by myself, myself, but,

Jamie: 48:02

it by yourself,

Liz: 48:04

well, yeah, eventually, it's, I still get stuck in the weeds. Oh, I remember what I wanted to say. We were talking about churches and faith plus one, or wasn't that what I was, that episode from South Park, I am writing uplifting music that I am doing. I'm, I'm creating choir charts for, and I'm going to, because I really want, I know it sounds kooky, but when Robert was in ICU and I was going there on the full unicorn, like I was praying and Shannon, and imagining and listening to manifestations that he would survive. I was seeing him climbing a tree. I was just like, looking at him laughing in my head and I was just like, don't kill him. let's, let's keep him alive. And, I'm doing that now for, for I mean it for humanity. I'm not trying to bloat. As we say in Australia, I'm not trying to piss in my pocket. I'm not trying to pretend like I'm some, like I don't have a God complex. I just want to do whatever I can with my superpower. and it's coming so quickly that as far as like the art is making itself, I feel like a conduit. but I, I'm writing songs like Carry On. I co-wrote that with Allison. That's like probably my latest single, I think. And, it's, it's, it's like just uplifting music and I'm going to give that to churches and community churches and, community choirs and, schools and all. I'm just, not just in Australia, but like digitally they can have it for free, the music, the, the track to sing along to if they need it, or, like an accompaniment. I'm just like an acoustic guitar or a piano or something like that.

Jamie: 49:42

Mm-hmm.

Liz: 49:43

and, and I'm gonna distribute that worldwide. That's my goal.

Jamie: 49:47

That's awesome.

Liz: 49:47

that's a part of my

Jamie: 49:48

That's great.

Liz: 49:49

yeah, because I just, I would like to see people singing hopeful things and, yeah. One of the ti recent times I, I went, into the bottom of the well of despair and depression and anxiety and feeling like my life was outta control. And it comes and goes. And there are things that I can do lately that prevent me from being in it as long or maybe as deep it seems. and I'm just, I'm not talking about medicine. I'm resistant to all meds. I, I do, have, I am a card carrying, THC person here. literal card carrying. I have medical exemp. I'm allowed to, to have my tincture and edibles here. And then I'm, I'm resistant to medicine. They, we've tried, oh my goodness. I've been diagnosed, diagnosed, diagnosed with, like over and over and over. Ah, you're just depressed. Oh, you're just anxious. Oh, take this, take this, take this. These medicines make me worse. the last one they put me on, they put me on a, some kind of a mood stabilizer. and, and that was a disaster. that, yeah, that was not, well, it made me really suicidal. and that's always been a part of my journey. Now I'm just gonna say it. I've had that little passenger in my brain as long as I remember. my first suicide note, I was very, very small. I was just a, a little, little kid. But, so I, I, I found it. yeah, so medicines don't work for me because I feel like, and my, my wellness journey, it's a popular theory that I might be neuro neurodivergent, but I don't have, the funds to be tested for that. It's really expensive here.

Rebecca: 51:35

So Dr. Pre, who we had on a couple weeks ago, she said that so many women are diagnosed incorrectly. And she said they're accidentally doing harm by giving you these medications because they're not testing for Neurodivergence. So they're just like, well, you need X, Y, and Z, and then the medicine's fucking you up because you shouldn't be on it. And so I'm wondering if that's maybe something that's to consider that's happened to you like

Liz: 51:58

I do. I, I, I, my GP and I, who is just about to retire, oh God, I'm auditioning GPS right now, so I'm really freaked out because she is fantastic.

Jamie: 52:11

I hate losing.

Liz: 52:13

Yeah, she's, yeah. Yeah. It's really weird. I'm, I don't like change from my little thing, my little routine, my team, I'm like, oh, no. Yeah. Anyway, but I'm just trusting the process. I'm moving forward, but I, I do have meltdowns about it. But, so she, she thinks, it's very likely, that that's what's what with me. And then I also have a great, clinical psychologist who is trauma informed, and we are doing a lot of work, and that's been great. I'm really happy to have her, but

Jamie: 52:44

love therapy here. We love therapy.

Liz: 52:46

yeah, no, oh, we were talking about bad therapy. That's, that's why I'm talking about this. because you fired a therapist and I, I fired a therapist too a few years back before COVID. it was intense. I, it, because I've always been a peacekeeping, people pleaser. I'll turn myself into a pretzel so long as I don't have to say no. And, and I, no, no. yeah, like this isn't working for me. I'm trying, I'm trying. No, I'm not, I'm not going into that pretzel box again, not doing it. but this, this one. I fired her and it was hard, but it was, it, that was big growth for me because she was really, she had a big, big personality and she just knew everything. And I went in there and I had like, it was just a little off, you know? And, and she was pushing me. I'm like, well, she's just pushing me. She's you need to, wonder Woman and own your space. She's you're making yourself small when you talk about that. And like, you know, she's like this and she's spread your legs out and out, sit like a man and, and do this power stuff. And I'm like, right, okay at the time, I, I was getting, I was getting, Assist surgery. I was getting ready for that and I was very, and I was going through the vocal cord paralysis thing, that journey. And one of the things that can happen to you when you have surgeries, they put the tube down you, for the, anesthesia and, and, and they and I was scared and I was crying about that and I'm like, I am a singer with Dysphonia already. I already have vocal chord paralysis and I am, struggling to get around. And I, I'm like, I'm singing again.

Jamie: 54:20

You're like, don't fuck this up more.

Liz: 54:23

yeah, and I'm like, I know I'm not rich. I, no, I'm not Adele. That doesn't mean I, my voice doesn't fucking matter. It matters. And it's, it's amazing and incredible. You don't even know who I am, but that doesn't mean I'm not somebody, And, so that was empowering on my own. but this therapist was like, why are they even doing that? You should be getting a And then she was talking about the spine thing or whatever, like they should be doing that instead, and she was really adamant about it and very hateful about it. And, and it, it made me very uncomfortable. That was really weird and it made me feel really weird.'Cause I went in there anxious and I came out a wreck, and, and so I fired her.

Rebecca: 55:05

Good.

Jamie: 55:06

Excellent.

Rebecca: 55:07

Good.

Liz: 55:09

It was a big deal.

Rebecca: 55:10

What a bitch. Thing though, Liz, that we talked about yesterday, like that you're struggling with that really struck me, especially living in Australia, is the lack of me good Mexican restaurants.

Liz: 55:20

oh, it hurts.

Rebecca: 55:23

yeah. I can't wait for this to be done because I have Mexican food coming and I'm so fucking excited to eat it and I can't imagine not getting to feel that for months on

Jamie: 55:32

Wow. A way to just like twist the knife in Rebecca. You're like, I'm gonna eat, you don't have Mexican. I'm gonna eat Mexican food.

Liz: 55:40

just put some Chipotle on the

Rebecca: 55:42

No, I'm genuinely sad for her.'cause like they have this green salt set. I'm like, oh my God, they probably, this probably doesn't get green salt. I just am genuinely

Jamie: 55:50

She's always

Rebecca: 55:51

mournful for you. I am genuinely sad for you.

Jamie: 55:54

Yeah. She's

Rebecca: 55:54

I'm like sad for you. Like genuinely that you don't get that. It's awful.

Liz: 56:00

I love tamal enchiladas and, I, I love all that stuff. I love the, I love the trashy fried beans that you get in then the toto salsa. I, I, I,

Rebecca: 56:10

Home Depot tamales. You don't even get Home Depot tamales. Those are the best tamales.

Liz: 56:16

No, there's no Home Depot here, yet, you never know. Things do come. I, I, yeah. but, we have, look, my first Amer my, my first Mexican Australian, experience was in Sydney. There was a Mexican joint, and the fellow looked like he, I mean he spoke, yeah, he was authentic. He had a, a Mexican accent and, yeah, but, the restaurant was delicious. It was great, but you pay for your chips and salsa. You don't get like side of guac. And it was just like different. It really, really, really expensive. And, it was, it was delicious and lovely, but, I never went back because I, that's the big city, the big smoke. I don't, I go there to go to pretty much, I only ever go there to catch a flight to America. the traffic there is just beyond, I've been through LA traffic too, by the way. I toured through, LA, California and whatnot, in the nineties and early knots and a, a, a, that's bad traffic. But this is, I, I'm dare say worse. Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe I'm just like overt, traumatized by cars and traffic. You know how I feel about that. Yuck.

Jamie: 57:25

yeah, I do. I just remembered. So I think I told you a while ago, Liz, that one of my old coworkers, had, she's from Australia, came to the States, I think, I don't remember where she met her husband, but actually moved to Seattle to be with her husband, which isn't that the opposite for you? Weren't you in the Seattle area and you moved to Yeah. and every day we were like, oh, you have to teach us, an australianism. And the only one I remember is, oh, now you've thrown a spanner in the works.

Liz: 58:01

Yep. Spanner in the works. Yeah. I was just, telling somebody about the spanner. It's a re wrench. It's a wrench. It's like throwing a wrench in the works. We call it a spanner. Australia is really good at, picking, nicknames for people, like, uh, nicknames for public figures. And one of my, sorry, mom, but one of my favorite was, what was it? I don't remember. Had something to do with the platypus and, twat. The, the use of the word twat. And it was like,

Jamie: 58:29

a.

Rebecca: 58:29

That's a good one.

Liz: 58:30

like a, a, a tt build platypus.

Jamie: 58:32

I'm writing all these down as band names. I'm like, twat, build platypus.

Liz: 58:39

yeah. Gosh. And that was just

Jamie: 58:40

I'm just like band names.

Liz: 58:44

that was just something that came across my social media a long time ago, but, I don't remember. I'll, I'll remember it at three in the morning and after like stock bill, platypus, swa waffle sandwich. I don't know, I don't remember what it was,

Jamie: 58:58

sounds best in dialects outside of North America. Very true. Platy, tty, puss. Beautiful.

Liz: 59:05

but, but it is a, it is a thing. when I, when I come to America and I add her words, Especially like fresh off the flight. I, I get this

Jamie: 59:14

Mm-hmm.

Liz: 59:15

you know, and I'm like, oh fuck. That's just that's a cockney accent firstly, It's just, yeah. but, but yeah, it's, it's a thing. It's a thing. And, and you're not doing that. It's, I When you say na, don't forget the why. The longer the why, the bigger the NN there's a show you should watch if you like Australia. Australia. if you like, you should check out C and Kim, that that's a comedy show. It has a lot. it's really a lot of stuff that will probably go over your head, but it's, it's quite clever. Very funny.

Jamie: 59:49

you calling me dumb?

Liz: 59:51

Yeah. There's just a lot of, Aussie stuff in there, but, it's, it's, it's, it's really funny. and, one of the, one of the characters or a couple of the characters are these kind of bougie, kinda, posh have themselves on thinking that they are, really, really posh, these store clerks at this store where things are

Jamie: 1:00:09

I think I've seen that. No, I might be thinking of something else. Actually. I think I'm thinking of a British show where they worked in a,

Liz: 1:00:19

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That with the lady with the wacky hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Rebecca: 1:00:25

AB Fab.

Liz: 1:00:27

No, that's, that's a good one though. Yeah. No, the, the, the clerks there are clerks in a, in a store, like a mall, and they, they had different levels going up. It had the sixties theme song going up, like the elevator. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's, yeah. But this, this, this was just like, inside of the show, it was two of the main characters, the mom and the daughter. And they would dress up with these like silver, like Karen style wigs, and they'd be like, and, and they'd be looking down their nose at, the other characters and, and just

Jamie: 1:01:01

And they just say, NA

Liz: 1:01:05

no,

Jamie: 1:01:07

na.

Liz: 1:01:08

you wanna, one of the popular, one of the only things I can remember was, you wanna throw for your car. And she's what you wanna throw

Jamie: 1:01:18

I have no idea what you just said

Liz: 1:01:20

Neither, neither did Kim. She didn't understand. And, but it, she was trying to say, do you have, do you wanna throw for your couch, which is a throw blanket for your couch? Would you like a throw for your couch? And then she's what? So anyway,

Jamie: 1:01:36

Manic says

Liz: 1:01:37

a thing.

Jamie: 1:01:38

every vowel into No is sorcery. It does sound like every vowel is in there.

Liz: 1:01:44

No, there is a R There's an r and a y. Yeah, that, yeah. It's weird, but, mm. It's strange. It's a strange thing having a, as Australian accent. And my husband has it too, because I'm the only person he hangs out with. so it was

Jamie: 1:02:00

rubbed off on him. You're like, you moved to Australia, but he's getting your accent a little bit.

Liz: 1:02:06

he, yeah, he lived in America for about a year. but when he was fresh off the plane, it was just like, whoa, what you're gonna do is go, he's asking for directions and, and, and it was just, it was something to watch. But, he always laughed because they were like, what you're gonna do is take a lept on Meeker. And he is Mika, and he is Take a left on Meeker, it's Okay. But, and then, and then we go to the, the pub to get a a, a Sanger and, and the girl serving us, Rob's, in Australia, we don't use pickles as much as we used pickled beet root on, on burgers. I know you're a vegetarian. I was a vegetarian at the time. I, before I moved to Australia, I was a vegetarian, but I moved here and I was just like, I really wanna try that. I really wanna try that. So I had to had, yeah, so I'm an omnivore now, but I, I really mostly eat plant-based. but for many reasons. But anyway, so the girl, he was asking for beet root, for his burger. And, and she was just like, looked at me and she's I,

Jamie: 1:03:07

She's what?

Liz: 1:03:08

European. She, she said, I don't speak European to, to him. yeah, I didn't look at him and she was like, what's he saying? I don't speak European. And he was just like, what? What did, did she just say that? What? No. What?

Jamie: 1:03:22

She's oh, you're not European. And he is N

Liz: 1:03:25

no, it wasn't even that she had no concept. yeah, no, sorry.

Rebecca: 1:03:32

I

Liz: 1:03:32

It's cute I guess. Hello Gump? Nah. Yeah.

Jamie: 1:03:35

awful. That's so sorry. Well, I think we have, this is, I feel like this is like our longest episode, but it doesn't, didn't even feel that long.

Liz: 1:03:44

Doesn't, doesn't feel like it's been long at all.

Jamie: 1:03:48

We've been doing this for two hours. See how like comfortable, how comfortable and cozy we are together. All three of us like

Liz: 1:03:56

well, can I just point out that when we were doing the AV check that was supposed to tops take an hour, if there was like technical problems wound up being like about two hours of talking, right?

Rebecca: 1:04:08

two ended up being two hours of talk.

Liz: 1:04:11

Yeah. I know you had to go. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. But for me, I was just like, well, in and out. Usually an Navy check. That's it with me. I'm like in and out. Okay. I'll click there. Okay. Okay. See ya. but no, you're just a fun hang and I, yeah, no, I, I, I, I'm so

Rebecca: 1:04:26

there are two wolves in you. Like my w my first Wolf like meetings need to be seven minutes. And then the second wolf has to do a podcast. And so I am two wolves.

Jamie: 1:04:38

But this isn't a meeting.

Liz: 1:04:39

Oh.

Rebecca: 1:04:40

No, I know. That's what I mean. It's like I have to remind myself, no, this is a podcast, so it's fine if it's two hours'cause it doesn't count. It's not a real meeting.

Jamie: 1:04:47

Mm-hmm. It doesn't, it doesn't count. And you know what else? We're not getting paid for it,

Rebecca: 1:04:52

I know that's true. Liz, do you, do you wanna, aside from your lovely Patreon, or is there anywhere else that you want people to find you? Or is there anything that you're working on that you wanna plug to keep an eye out for?

Liz: 1:05:04

Yeah, well, I'm looking for funding for my, project. I've, I've applied for two grants for the project. I've just started, I, I put a page on my website about it just recently. It's, it's still in the early phases. so I'm like, I, like I said, I, I've just put in two big, giant massive grants. If they come through, I'm gonna be able to do this thing. Liz aday.com au That's my website. But also there's Link Tree. I don't know if, if you're savvy with Link Tree, it's link The link Tree. L-I-N-K-T Ee slash Liz Aday. But I'm like, it's not hard to find me. really? just Google it.

Rebecca: 1:05:45

Thank you genuinely for doing this. We really, really appreciate this. This was so much fun and it's so lovely to talk to you because we, we have a lot of people who we work with, but we haven't had a lot of creatives and it's just, it's fascinating and I love it.

Jamie: 1:05:59

to just hear how it just like pours out of you too is like me who, I actually thought I was like, I'm not a creative person. but I was just, I was so burnt out that I wasn't even dabbling in anything else but work, work. So of course I didn't feel creative and

Liz: 1:06:15

Oh no, of course.

Jamie: 1:06:16

that started flowing outta me as soon as we just started with this and figuring out what we were gonna do and, to just see somebody that just, I don't know, just it flows out of you constantly, every which way. that's so awesome. that's so cool. I know it can probably be a little frustrating, but I just, Everyone please, subscribe to

Rebecca: 1:06:35

her Patreon.

Jamie: 1:06:37

please. Patreon. that would be great., Love you ladies. Thank you everybody

Liz: 1:06:42

Love you.

Rebecca: 1:06:43

Thank you guys. Bye.