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This dumb witch brought jelly shoes
Since it's our birthday month and we wanted to do a special stream, we did what anyone else would have done and procrastinated until the last day of the month for our stream (and giveaway announcement!).
But first, we decided to take a little journey down memory lane and share stories from when we were kids. We reminisce about hilarious and cringey high school moments, talk about our childhood dreams, and wonder if we would ever actual have been friends in school (Rebecca says absolutely not).
Rebecca shares how she was once grounded from the library and Jamie shares about the time she got grounded for an entire month from music.
And yes, you heard us right: We're doing a giveaway! You can win some burnout merch—like stickers or a T-shirt! Follow us on socials and listen in for deets on how to enter our Burnout Birthday Giveaway.
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The Burnout Collective Podcast is hosted by Jamie Young and Rebecca McCracken. We’ve had every ounce of inspiration sucked out by years of startups and hustle culture, and we’re trying to reclaim our creativity. Join us and our guests as we explore how to restart and reenergize our brains. Every Thursday at 5pm PT, we stream live on twitch.tv/TheBurnoutCollective.
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you know how they have gender reveal cakes? They need to do one for like autism and A DHD adult diagnoses. you just get a cake and if you cut it and it's, if it's funfetti, then you have like a DHD.
I am Jamie. And I'm Rebecca. Welcome to the Burnout Collective.
JAMIE:Hello.
REBECCA:Hi, welcome back. Welcome to our birthday stream.
JAMIE:Oh my God. How you, I always forget which way you are. Happy birthday Rebecca.
REBECCA:Happy birthday, Jamie. Happy. No, that's the other way right
JAMIE:Happy
REBECCA:there. It's happy.
JAMIE:birthday.
REBECCA:Happy belated birthday to us. It was our birthday month.
JAMIE:We were supposed to see each other, but I got COVD.
REBECCA:got sick.
JAMIE:thank you. Paper. Happy birthday month. Yeah, it's like over, but we had some stuff to do before we could do this.
REBECCA:Yeah.
JAMIE:Hey
REBECCA:supposed to talk about, just growing up, but Jamie said as a birthday present, she's gonna let me talk about my list of work enemies for an hour. I'm very excited.
JAMIE:no wonder you didn't wanna do an outline, you were just gonna throw that in there and start listing. Your outline is just like the list of enemies that you have in your head is, yeah. Okay.
REBECCA:test how bad your headache is and whether or not you're just gonna let me do it.
JAMIE:Yeah, I've had a migraine all day, but I'm here and Rebecca's here to make it worse, so we're killing it.
REBECCA:Number one.
JAMIE:Coming in at number five is
REBECCA:you get anything nice for your birthday
JAMIE:I got mu I got money, so that was
REBECCA:Money is great. We love money.
JAMIE:the boyfriend that got me, like a, a riot girl book
REBECCA:Nice.
JAMIE:and some cool, like Seattle'cause I was supposed to go there, but some cool like Seattle merch, like a mug and some sub pop stickers and pins and stuff, so that was nice.
REBECCA:Very nice.
JAMIE:What about you?
REBECCA:I got, two bespoke crocheted, not dolls, but objects from you, from our good. Sorry. Good From
JAMIE:Oh, you, you said it so weird. I didn't know what you were talking about. I was like,
REBECCA:I'm trying to figure out what they were. It's like they're bespoke'cause requested, but they're not dolls,
JAMIE:crocheted items.
REBECCA:ojs. and then I got a potting bench for
JAMIE:Oh, nice. Oh, that's cool. You have to send me a picture.
REBECCA:I am entering middle aged the right way stuff for my garden.
JAMIE:That's awesome. I always wanted to get one and I was gonna get one to put on my balcony at my apartment here, which would take up like a big part of my balcony.
REBECCA:But honestly I was doing potting in the kitchen where it was just like dirt everywhere and I'm like crouched like a goblin on newspapers and this is so much easier. I can just stand. It's the right height. And
JAMIE:Yeah. I would sit down on the ground outside on my balcony and do it and
REBECCA:yes, it's the perfect hip height.
JAMIE:We'll have to, we'll have to put a link to your potting bench in the show notes.
REBECCA:Do you feel like you're 40?
JAMIE:No,
REBECCA:I don't either.
JAMIE:it's weird. It's like weird.
REBECCA:I think I've said it before, but I feel like we're owed. I, as far as life experience goes, we're at 38 years.'cause of the lockdown. that's two years of experience that we didn't have that we just sat inside.
JAMIE:Yeah.
REBECCA:we're 40. But life experience wise, we've only had 38 years. And I think that's the, the disconnect that I'm having with all this and like why it's so hard.
JAMIE:I did tell Adon the other day when he was here that I was like, I feel like I was just 38, not like 39. Like I feel like I was just 38.
REBECCA:Yes, yes.
JAMIE:I dunno, forever. 38. You know how people are like, I'm not 40 yet, it's my, I'm having my like 10th, 21st birthday or whatever, something like that. I'm like,
REBECCA:38, part two.
JAMIE:yeah. I'm like forever 38, just whatever.
REBECCA:don't know. I'm still getting used to it. But as birthday presents from us to you we did decide to do a giveaway. We
JAMIE:Yeah. We're gonna do a giveaway. It's actually gonna last for about a month. So it'll end the 26th of June.
REBECCA:We are going to be giving away, some of our merch. You have your choice of a pack of burnout stickers or burnout t-shirt. If you join our channel, if that's our first entry, your first entry is if you join our channel, that's free. Anyone can do it. if you would like two additional entries, you can subscribe to our channel or you can give us$30. So that's two extra entries.
JAMIE:$30.
REBECCA:Might as well no$5. If you donate$5 to us, via PayPal, again, we'll have links in the show notes. and Jamie has created a whole page with all the rules on it. but yeah, you can have the three entries and then on the 26th we will, do a random drawing and, whoever we choose, will message you and you'll have your pick of what you want us to send you. You don't need to buy anything to do this. If you do want additional entries, subscribe to our Switch channel. Or donate to us via PayPal. And actually, Jamie taught me this, you can subscribe to us for a free month if you have Amazon Prime, which I did not know. So I did that.
JAMIE:Yep. But Rebecca won't be entered in the giveaway. Don't
REBECCA:No, no, no. I will. No, no, no, no. This is not for us. This is for you
JAMIE:Rebecca's so I did that extra. You're like, I also donated$30.
REBECCA:Yeah. It's our, it's like our party bag. like when people come to our birthday parties and you give them a goodie bag to go home with, it's, it's our goodie bag to you.
JAMIE:Yeah.
REBECCA:But in June,'cause May is for us
JAMIE:Yeah, exactly. June is for the Geminis.
REBECCA:eyes.
JAMIE:yeah. Is that, what else do we have for,
REBECCA:Oh, if you haven't caught our latest episode, we had, Dr. Priyanka on, last week to talk about, A DHD in adults and especially women. It was super enlightening, super informational, very interesting. she was a great guest. lovely to talk to, and check her out. we've added her, she still, she does coaching with adults too, and she also does autism and A DHD diagnosis. Diagnoses, diagnosis, diagnoses for adults. so all that information is in our show notes. if that's something that you are interested in finding out.
JAMIE:Yeah, so check out that episode. If you missed it, it's here on Twitch and also wherever you get your podcasts.
REBECCA:This is, this is the gummy kicking in. I can tell. you know how they have gender, gender reveal cakes? They need to do one for like autism and A DHD adult diagnoses. you just get a cake and if you cut it and it's, if it's funfetti, then you have a DHD.
JAMIE:And if it's not, then everyone's just oh,
REBECCA:If it's plain vanilla, that's autism.
JAMIE:I thought plain vanilla would be neurotypical.
REBECCA:no, this is just like the most, the, the safest flavor. So
JAMIE:Or it's like different colors. It's like you have autism blue,
REBECCA:yes.
JAMIE:you have a DHD purple.
REBECCA:know what, after we're done this, I'm gonna email pre you and be like,
JAMIE:You're bipolar black. Sorry.
REBECCA:No, bipolar should be the funfetti.
JAMIE:Oh, should it? Yeah.
REBECCA:Yeah, we'll email pre and be like, listen, if you wanna do an add-on for new
JAMIE:how do you feel about cakes?
REBECCA:get a bakery sponsorship.
JAMIE:yeah. Oh man.
REBECCA:But yeah, so check that out. it's great. Morgan's episode will be out, on Tuesday. Again, sorry about the delay. We had some audio issues, but, one of our very good friends fixed it for us, and so I'll be putting that together this weekend. I am so sorry for the delay. I did not want to do that, but I wanted to make sure we were able to put her episode out and have it be quality, because that was also a great episode. burnout and dating was
JAMIE:that was really fun. That was really fun with Morgan. Yeah. So that'll be out soon. it's already here on Twitch in the VADs if you wanna check it out. It was episode 23. but yeah, we'll have it out, this upcoming week. Awesome.
REBECCA:Yeah, I think that's about
JAMIE:I think that's it for like
REBECCA:about, let's talk about little us.
JAMIE:little Jamie and little Rebecca. I do always wonder if we would ever be friends, like if we were near each other. I feel like
REBECCA:no. We would not be,
JAMIE:How do you know, what do you know about little Jamie?
REBECCA:because you, all you said was when I was like, did you get bullied in high school? And you were like, I was the one who bullied people.
JAMIE:See, no, but like I, but I bullied the bullies and then the popular kids.
REBECCA:No, I still don't think so.
JAMIE:I was
REBECCA:I wouldn't be friends with me if I was little,
JAMIE:did you, so did all of your years and like the trauma that came with them make you like the funny person you are today? Or were you always this funny?
REBECCA:Oh, I remember telling Hannah, this is the type of friend I was, cannot believe I was undiagnosed for so long. I let her know because it was my sacred duty. It's her best friend to let her know when she had a bad breath. So no, I didn't have a lot of friends as a kid because that's the type of friendship that I brought to the table.
JAMIE:you just do? You'd just talk to her and be like, your breath is gross today.
REBECCA:I'd be like, your breath is really smelling 17.
JAMIE:Okay.
REBECCA:I would want to know. I, I would want to know.
JAMIE:It's like telling somebody, like a stranger in public that their tags out or their flies down, or they have bad breath.
REBECCA:Yeah. I just, I was like, this is my best friend. Clearly I am, I am obligated to tell her. that didn't go great. and then when we moved to Pennsylvania, I decided to make friends with a neighborhood girl, and she wouldn't let me play with her because I didn't have an American girl doll. So I slapped her across the face. again, that's the friendship I bring to the table.
JAMIE:as you do. And Rebecca's and now this is how we get into my list of my, my top 10 enemies
REBECCA:Valerie
JAMIE:number. Yeah. Number 10, Valerie, second grade.
REBECCA:she came to my wedding, so like we, we made up. But yeah, that's again, real difficult time making friends really unregulated. Did not people well, it was not a good time. I don't think we would've been friends.
JAMIE:Oh my God. This one girl who was my friend in I feel like this was like sixth grade. she, like everybody knew that she was a klepto. Like she would seal everything. And I remember this one time she like stole, I bought these like new pens and first of all, pens are important to me now as an adult. as a kid. Like new pens are like an even bigger deal. Are you gonna show us pens? Oh my
REBECCA:I have a box lipstick and hair pens in there too, but I have a box full of like the special good pens that I hide upstairs that my family can't use. I very much understand the importance of pens.
JAMIE:is there's more than pens in here, but
REBECCA:Oh, that's, that's a cute collection.
JAMIE:What do we got? No, I have more. These are just like what's available?
REBECCA:Those are your special beds.
JAMIE:These are my special bugs. I'm doing, I'm doing this for the still later.
REBECCA:I love. I'll just, all right, then, hold on
JAMIE:Oh yeah.
REBECCA:You hold your bun. There we go. I very much understand the importance of pens
JAMIE:Oh my God.
REBECCA:and pen tech.
JAMIE:pat subscribed.
REBECCA:you. Pat Pen. Technology. In the nineties, it smelled really good. They had a bunch of like different like spark, gel pens had just come out. So like we grew up in the middle of advanced pen technology. Don't tell me that gel pens weren't a big fucking deal
JAMIE:it was a
REBECCA:in elementary
JAMIE:It was a
REBECCA:It was a huge deal.
JAMIE:I know, I know. but anyway, she stole like a couple of my pens and it was, I, I, I don't know like where it was, but like my mom had put my initials on them in like Sharpie? No, they were not engrave. Like Sharpie. Yeah. Let's the poor man's engraving Sharpie, the poor mom's engraving sharpie. oh my god. Lisa Frank. Yes.
REBECCA:oh, Lisa Frank pens.
JAMIE:Lisa Frank trapper keepers. Dude, engraved your scissors. What the fuck? So these pens said GY on them and she stole them. And then I was like, Hey Courtney. and yes, that is her real name. Hey Courtney, you stole my pens. And she's no, these are mine. And I was like, they literally have my initials on them. And she's oh, I just put that on there. That's what she said. Oh, I just put.
REBECCA:starts with j and a y, apparently.
JAMIE:I just put that on there and I'm like, you wrote my initials on your pen.
REBECCA:it's gonna be really funny when she hears this'cause it gets back to her. She'd be like, I was being molested back then.
JAMIE:Oh my God. Rebecca. Jesus Christ.
REBECCA:I was just crying for help and no one saw me.
JAMIE:Rob says, happy birthday babies. Thank you, Rob. I still have my scissors from elementary school. I'll send a picture later. Okay. That also might be in the show notes because what the fuck?
REBECCA:yes. Pat's the picture
JAMIE:that's really weird.
REBECCA:was always that girl though, who stole shit from everyone.
JAMIE:I know.
REBECCA:I don't know why, just stealing.
JAMIE:It was so annoying and it was just like, why?
REBECCA:Did you steal it back from her or did you just give up?
JAMIE:I don't remember. I think
REBECCA:You should have slapped her across the
JAMIE:I know I should, I should have, see, I needed you as a friend. You would've slapped her across the face for me.
REBECCA:was like.
JAMIE:Oh, God. See, everybody has stuff even Yeah. Paper head stuff stolen from her. It's, it's a lot.
REBECCA:We wonder why I got tested for special ed. Yeah, would. I would've, I don't know. I really don't think we would have. It was awkward and growing up was weird, but although, you know what, with your dad being a pastor, we actually might have, we might have been church friends, like youth group friends where we like talk on Sundays.
JAMIE:Okay,
REBECCA:I'll give us that.
JAMIE:so enemies then.
REBECCA:That
JAMIE:So church enemies is what you're
REBECCA:church enemies. Yeah.
JAMIE:Oh God.
REBECCA:did you have, did you have a lot of friends when you were growing up though?
JAMIE:I had a good amount of friends. Like I wasn't, I don't know, basically I think I was just like friends with anyone who like wasn't an asshole. So a lot of my friends, especially in middle school, high school, the goth punk, reject stoner, like very neurodivergent, kids like those, they were all my friends. That was like my closest group of friends. And then yeah.
REBECCA:I had like periphery friends. Scott was, Scott was one of my really good friends. and then like just periphery band and choir friends. and then I had Val and Jana as my two best friends in high school.
JAMIE:Val and Jana. Oh my God. Wow.
REBECCA:they were both, they were both Catholic and went to the same church. and so I was not part of that fun
JAMIE:Because you were a heathen.
REBECCA:I was, and not a virgin, so I got a lot of shit from them. So it was too, I think it was like one of those things where it was like, you can't ever have a threesome friendship'cause it's like always gonna be two people against the other. And we just take turns on, like pairing up who we, who was together and Yeah.
JAMIE:I know that that's how it works, but fuck
REBECCA:school girls. That's how it works.
JAMIE:I remember it.
REBECCA:I had Jack
JAMIE:yeah.
REBECCA:No, no, go ahead. No
JAMIE:No, and then you had,
REBECCA:I had Jackie, who was my other best friend, and every boy I dated in high school made out with her and cheated on me with her.
JAMIE:oh, great friend,
REBECCA:Yeah. And now she's a lesbian.
JAMIE:she's number eight on the enemy's
REBECCA:Serious. It's not right. So I just found it weird that she always made out with my boyfriends, but I'm like, you didn't even like boys Jackie. So I don't know. So
JAMIE:was trying to make you jealous and then make out with you.
REBECCA:what I get for dating kids in band though. It's fucking weirdos.
JAMIE:I've heard some things about like band and
REBECCA:It is all true.
JAMIE:I just mean, I just, I feel like though that wasn't true at my school because that's questionable.
REBECCA:Did you have a marching band?
JAMIE:I actually don't know. I'm thinking of, I don't think so.
REBECCA:Okay.'cause if you had a marching band, it's all true.
JAMIE:Okay. Maybe that's the
REBECCA:it's all true.
JAMIE:don't think we did. I'm trying to remember.
REBECCA:one of our marching band teachers, had a behind the scenes affair with one of the flag girls. And then they got married.
JAMIE:They got married.
REBECCA:He got married once she was of age. so he was a predator. there was a lot of stuff happening on the back of the band bus, like full on.
JAMIE:The back of the band. Bus
REBECCA:Yeah. Band kids are gross.
JAMIE:B, BB.
REBECCA:gross. Yeah. So everything you've heard it's correct. I dunno,
JAMIE:you were in band, you were
REBECCA:you were a cheerleader though, right?
JAMIE:I was a cheerleader for
REBECCA:Yeah. We would not have been
JAMIE:A couple grades, like two grades. I wasn't, this was, I'm talking
REBECCA:And you were a jock. You played volleyball too, so we really wouldn't
JAMIE:but this was all like middle school, like grade school, middle school in high school. The only thing I did my freshman year, I loved volleyball so much. Everything else I hated. but I did try everything. and so I was like, I'll go out for volleyball. And then I never did it again because I was just like, I hate my school. I don't wanna be around these people any more than I have to. so yeah, I think you mean the back of the JV volleyball bus?
REBECCA:Ooh, the v volleyball girls.
JAMIE:Yeah. Yeah. I was like,
REBECCA:Jamie, what they say about the volleyball bus?
JAMIE:I don't know. I don't think so. yeah, I'm still
REBECCA:in band or choir? Did you, did you do anything?
JAMIE:we like had to be in choir. Everybody had to do choir in like grade school, middle school.
REBECCA:Mm-hmm.
JAMIE:I may have been in choir my freshman year of high school, but then again was like, Nope.
REBECCA:really?
JAMIE:And band. I could never be in band because my parents couldn't afford like the instrument and stuff. So I, and the thing is, the funny thing is I like begged to be in band. I was like, please, I just wanna be in band.'cause like my friends are in band and it seemed cool to me at the time.
REBECCA:I did honors choir. I did all the choir. I did like pit orchestra. I competed for the district. I placed fifth in district for altos.
JAMIE:Wow.
REBECCA:Yeah. So I, I was in band and choir.
JAMIE:What were you playing? What did you play?
REBECCA:I did the flute. I did symphony and then I accompanied the choir too when I wasn't singing. So
JAMIE:Oh, piano. Cool. I didn't know that. Nice.
REBECCA:No one had any friends.
JAMIE:Yeah.
REBECCA:Did your, did your older siblings go to the same school and did you have that weird thing like were they into sports or something where it was like, ah, you know their little sisters here and they expected great things out of you, and you're like, I don't do any of this.
JAMIE:happened was it was like, oh, you're so-and-so's little sister. Oh, you're so-and-so's little sister. That's all it was. However,
REBECCA:okay.
JAMIE:my siblings friends, like always thought I was really cool. Like they would hang out with me. They would be like they, before they came over they would bring me ice cream or something.
REBECCA:No one made you be the table or anything.
JAMIE:no, Rebecca, I think that's a very specific to, to your sister experience. Rachel, I'm so sorry.
REBECCA:sorry, Rachel, we're really sorry.
JAMIE:Oh my God.
REBECCA:though, that they wanted to hang out with the little sister.
JAMIE:Did, did Rachel ever get any of that? oh, you're Rebecca's sister.
REBECCA:No, they built a new school, a new high school when she was going into that, so I think she went to my high school for one year and then they all switched over. So it was a brand new school and nobody, my mom worked at my school though, my senior year, and that was fun.
JAMIE:Oh,
REBECCA:Yeah, so I, I saw her a lot in high school.
JAMIE:My friend's mom was our English teacher, like our last couple years of, or our last, our first two years of high school. And her name was also Jackie, my friend. She was my good friend for a very long time throughout elementary, through high school. And but she was one of the more, she was very sporty, very popular. and I was still friends with her, but we still hung in different circles. But, her mom is actually the English teacher who accused me of plagiarism. My freshman, my freshman year was freshman or sophomore,
REBECCA:Oh,
JAMIE:and that was before they had so this was long ago. This was before they like, could easily check these things. And she called me a,
REBECCA:it?'cause it was too. What do you mean? Was it too good? Or like what? Why was she, oh shit.
JAMIE:she was like, I don't, I don't remember what words I used, but I guess for a high school student, she thought it was like bullshit. but at that point, like by the time I was in high school, high school, I like wrote a lot. Like I was always writing, I was always reading. And she was like, this is very clearly plagiarized. And I was like, what? Because she called me after class and I literally thought she was gonna congratulate me on my paper. And she's this is obviously plagiarized. And I was like, it is. I was like, no. I was like, I did not. And she had to take my word for it and I could tell she was still skeptical, but she was like, I'll choose to believe you or whatever. And I was like, this is
REBECCA:Oh, okay.
JAMIE:Yeah. so that was fucked up.
REBECCA:That's really interesting. That ex, so I read a lot as a kid too. Like
JAMIE:yeah.
REBECCA:a lot, like I was my own reading group through most of elementary school and like when I finished my work early, they'd just let me go read in the corner.
JAMIE:In the corner.
REBECCA:they would, they'd be like, if you want, you
JAMIE:read in your corner, Rebecca, go in your corner.
REBECCA:Literally, I just read all the time. So my writing was very not like my peers and my teachers would be like, what are you doing here? and I don't know, maybe that's like why we went into our careers that we did, but it was just always there.
JAMIE:Yeah. That was my thing. I've I wanted to be a writer for a, a very long
REBECCA:Mm-hmm.
JAMIE:and I can, I always thank, my grandma, my grandma Elsie, who I. Had me doing crosswords and playing Scrabble at like very young ages.'cause she was obsessed. She wrote a lot of poetry herself, and she was a really good writer. my mom did a lot of good poetry and like my mom, like when we were growing up, when we were little, my mom would write these like rhyming birthday songs, like customized birthday songs for us and stuff. So my mom too. and I had a really awesome English teacher in like middle school that I loved Mrs. Lemke. Love You. and I just was like, I wanna be a writer. But of course, like when you're a kid and you're like, I wanna be a writer, you're like, I'm gonna write a book. that's what you think. You're like, I'm gonna write a book. Or maybe it'll be like, sex in the City and I'll write a column for the New York Times. that's what you think. And then,
REBECCA:I, I always wanted to be an editor'cause I just wanted to read books. I never wanted to be a writer. I was just like, I can read books all day long that someone wrote.
JAMIE:That's interesting. New oh yeah. It started as like writer. And then I became, and then I was a writer and then I was an editor and I was like, oh, I'm really good at this. I'm still a good
REBECCA:good at telling people they're wrong and what to do. That's crazy.
JAMIE:it's like
REBECCA:Don't say.
JAMIE:we're excellent. We're excellent at this. What else did you wanna be
REBECCA:did you,
JAMIE:grew
REBECCA:I was just gonna ask you like, what did you really like when you were little? Little? What did you wanna be?
JAMIE:I'm trying to recall, the only thing I do remember is there was a time when I wanted to be a lawyer. and a lot of people told me like, oh, you would make such a good lawyer. because like I argued,
REBECCA:Mm-hmm.
JAMIE:I remember being on the debate team in middle school and we got the topic, it was creation, verse evolution, and we were evolution. And this was a Christian private school and we won
REBECCA:Did you win it? Nice. Good job.
JAMIE:because I put, put the thing out there of, I was like, I was like, evolution doesn't necessarily mean there's no God. You guys, like God could have made things to evolve. this is like what I was like telling, telling them. And I like threw that in my thing and they were all like, what? And we won and I was so proud. But, I mean I was like 12,
REBECCA:That's, that's like pretty advanced thinking for a 12-year-old,
JAMIE:Yeah.
REBECCA:I, I wanted to be a marine biologist. Like I would watch the Discovery Channel and I would take out my notebook and I would take notes on all the shows I watched on mam, like marine mammals. I had a notebook full like this is my job. And I would just all the notes and that's what I wanted to be. And then when I got into high school, I was looking at programs and I learned that you had to dissect animals as like part of the biology program. I was like, Nope,
JAMIE:I refused to do that in, in high school. I think high school was the first time that we had to like dissect things and I think it was just a couple times, but each time I was like, Nope. And like my teacher was like, cool. And so it was like, that's fine, you don't have to do it. I'm like, I don't know if you know this, but like I've been vegetarian,
REBECCA:you a vegan? Are you a vegan? I was just gonna say, are you a vegan?
JAMIE:vegan, vegan, vegan. had to do frogs. Yeah, we had to do frogs. There was something else we had to do. The fuck,
REBECCA:I didn't do the cat, but we did cats. We had frogs, starfish and cats.
JAMIE:all I remember is frogs, but I know there was at least one other, and I don't remember what it was. Oh my God. Definitely wasn't a cat. Or maybe it was. And I've just blacked it out because that's
REBECCA:No, that was for like the AP bio people. That was,
JAMIE:Oh yeah. I was not an AP bio.
REBECCA:yeah.
JAMIE:That's terrible.
REBECCA:As if that's gonna motivate kids. Like kids. If you work hard enough, you can get into AP Bio and dissect a cat.
JAMIE:Yeah, that's all the serial killer kids. They were like, yeah. They were like, I've actually already done that on my own.
REBECCA:Yeah.
JAMIE:Sorry.
REBECCA:No, nothing. I, I was gonna tell you something else. Oh, the other reason, why we didn't have a lot of friends is because, so I did get bullied a lot,
JAMIE:You said we by the way,
REBECCA:oh,
JAMIE:why we didn't have a lot of, no, I'm just saying
REBECCA:Yeah, I didn't have a lot of friends, got bullied a lot.'cause I read a lot and usually was like, I, I didn't talk like other kids and I talk, it was easier to talk to adults. and so when kids would bully me, I would do things well. I'd tell them, did you know that your parents are getting divorced because your dad said he doesn't love you anymore and then just walk away.
JAMIE:That's awesome.
REBECCA:so I learned how to fight with my words and then would just psychologically decimate everyone.
JAMIE:And then Rebecca's I don't know why I never had any
REBECCA:I don't know why I didn't have any friends. Yeah. Yep.
JAMIE:That's so mean there.
REBECCA:she was mean to me first.
JAMIE:reminds me of Veronica Mars where she would say that shit to people when it was actually like true.
REBECCA:I didn't say it wasn't true because that's the thing about readers. If you're quiet and you sit in a corner long enough, adults forget you're there and then they talk. And so you get to hear all the good gossip'cause they forget you're there.
JAMIE:That's pretty good.
REBECCA:Like why her parents are getting a divorce.
JAMIE:When I was like 12, I had already honestly decided that I didn't want kids. I was like, I don't think I wanna have kids. Like when I grow up, I don't think I want kids. But I said that I was really good at naming things. I've probably told you this before. I was really good at naming things and I liked naming things and so I wanted, Hey, cosmic. So I wanted, so I said, when I grow up, I wanna sit on a throne and, and have people bring me their like newborn children and I'll name them for them. And that's what I wanted to do. That's like what I really wanted to do when I grew up and pay me for it.
REBECCA:So what I'm hearing is you wanted to sit on a throne and tell people what to do
JAMIE:put it that way.
REBECCA:and also tell them no to their chosen name and let them know what to do instead. I see a
JAMIE:The kid's like partially grown. It's like a five, 5-year-old. They're like, we named him Elijah. And I'm like, no.
REBECCA:actually that's not his name. Yeah. I again, I wanted to tell everyone no and that they were wrong and what to do. Like it's just a through line.
JAMIE:Yeah, it was great. But I can't really
REBECCA:I love that.
JAMIE:besides
REBECCA:what? You are good naming, good at naming things'cause you did have excellent cat names. So like you are pretty good at naming things.
JAMIE:that's true. I do naming things. I
REBECCA:You have good, you have good usernames,
JAMIE:Yeah, if they bring the child to her, they knew what they were getting into. See? Exactly. Yeah. Thank you guys. Oh,
REBECCA:you know what they're doing. Like when you were little, little did you wanna be like a cook or a firefighter, any of that stupid shit.
JAMIE:I'm sure when I was like very little, I was like, I wanna be a police woman. but lawyer is really the only thing that stands out.'cause I think maybe that was a thing that still thought about, I think like teacher was something for a short while. like profe, like professor at a college. I remember I wanted to do that too.
REBECCA:college as a music education major,
JAMIE:Oh, I didn't know
REBECCA:and then I, yeah, I was gonna be a voice teacher, and then I realized I fucking hate children. So like, there is no way I'm spending the rest of my life in my own personal hell of high school. I'm not going back to that. You can't make me, so switched over to journalism pretty fucking quick,
JAMIE:that's what I thought too. But I, I feel like I could have done like a professor at a college.
REBECCA:oh, yeah. Yeah. You would've been good with that.
JAMIE:Yeah, I think you would be too.
REBECCA:Tell'em, tell'em they're wrong, and
JAMIE:Just slap'em across the face.
REBECCA:Listen, sometimes people fucking need it. Sometimes you need a slap
JAMIE:So many people really fucking need it. It's true. People don't get slapped across the face as often as they should anymore.
REBECCA:Did you ever get in like physical fights when you were little?
JAMIE:remember I told you about my fighting friend? We would, anytime we'd, we'd go visit her at her other high school'cause she moved schools and we would both see each other and then just immediately be like, we'd be like, ha ha ha. And then we'd see each other and go and throw our bags down and I would take all my rings off'cause I wore a ton of rings and put'em in my pocket.'cause I didn't wanna murder with my rings really bad. And then we'd just go to town and people thought we were just like fighting, like for real. But it was just like. A fight club of two
REBECCA:I love that. I love that for you.
JAMIE:I ever get in like big fights. there were a ton of like fucking girl fights in like middle school, I remember,
REBECCA:Remember when you would fight on notes between classes? Like you would just write notes to each other and so then you fought via note for like from people to
JAMIE:do you apologize? Yes or no? I'm just like, will you take responsibility for being the one that is wrong? Because I am not.
REBECCA:Yeah. Honestly,
JAMIE:Yeah. What about you,
REBECCA:I don't think, I didn't get any like scraps. I did get punched in the stomach a couple times by boys I was in elementary school with.
JAMIE:Jesus?
REBECCA:To be fair, I probably deserved it.
JAMIE:Yeah. Nobody deserves that,
REBECCA:version
JAMIE:except maybe those
REBECCA:I. No, I don't think I got into any like scrap scraps. I was weak and did not go outside a lot, so I would've lost immediately.
JAMIE:did get in a fight with this one kid in high school who would just like. He would just do shit like I was eating like a little bag of like chips in class and he was behind me and he reached around and slammed the bag into my face and stuff like that.
REBECCA:Oh,
JAMIE:so I got in a fight with him and like physically and then he was like, I'm not gonna hit you. I'm not gonna hit you. You dyke. Yeah.
REBECCA:mean.
JAMIE:yeah, definitely called that a lot. I'm trying to think what other like fights. Oh
REBECCA:Oh, Jordan. No, go ahead.
JAMIE:no, you go first
REBECCA:Jordan Young told everyone in second grade that I had aids.
JAMIE:that you had what
REBECCA:Aids.
JAMIE:in second grade
REBECCA:Yeah. That was like the big thing.'cause I think it was like Magic Johnson had aids. Like AIDS was the big like issue. So yeah. So she told everyone I had AIDS and then no one would touch anything that I had touched because
JAMIE:and Jordan's number six on the list.
REBECCA:And Jordan's parents were also getting divorced'cause her dad didn't love her or her mom. So
JAMIE:Or her mom or her or her mother. Wow. Cos
REBECCA:know what though? We, oh, sorry. I'm sorry.
JAMIE:Oh, I was just gonna say, cosmic said I used to get beat up at least once a week as a kid. See, I feel like I was the kid. Who would be like, literally I would beat up the bullies. So like you were saying, like a guy punched you in the stomach. if I saw that, like I would go after that guy, even if I didn't know you, I would go after that
REBECCA:Thank you. That was very nice of you. Thank you.
JAMIE:It's a thought that counts.
REBECCA:I really appreciate shit.
JAMIE:oh, so in like middle school, maybe like sixth or seventh grade, like a lot happened in like sixth and eighth grade, sixth, seventh, eighth grade. I kind of like had this friend group of girls and it was like, I think maybe four or five of us. And so like you said, with the three, like it was even worse because three people would gang up on one or two, or one girl was Sweden and three other girls ganged up on one girl. just always happened. So for some reason, like I was out at this time, I don't know why. and that's when they were all getting like really into, like witchy stuff and like witchcraft. And was already at that point like just like getting into my like goth phase, my like punk goth phase. So I remember being like. Like posers, because I was like, I already dressed the part like you guys, like you're wearing like floral dresses. Rachel, please.
REBECCA:I shaved my head. Commit or fucking get off the pot.
JAMIE:This was right before I shaved my head, so I hadn't shaved my head Yeah. Commit or get off the pot. but for whatever reason, yeah, they like pushed me outta the friend group and I remember them being like, we put a spell on you and stuff like that. Yeah. And then,
REBECCA:bitches.
JAMIE:and then they were planning this whole big thing where they were gonna run away and they were gonna run away from school and, but they like told people. And so most people were like, they're just bluffing. Like whatever. I knew that they were probably really gonna do it. And I was just like, okay. I think there was still part of me though, because I wanted to be part of the group that I was like, I wish I was running away. like there was,
REBECCA:I.
JAMIE:I wish, I mean, I'm probably really good at running away. they don't know the edibles have edible, I think. so they did, they planned this whole thing and they had
REBECCA:I need your mom to pop in the chat, right? And I'd be like, Jamie would've been great at running away. We're still proud of you, sweetie.
JAMIE:I ran away for I don't know, like 30 minutes to an hour. I remember seeing my mom, like I was outside hiding, and I, it was like in the snow and I was freezing. And I remember watching my mom drive by'cause she was like trying to find me and I was like,
REBECCA:Your mom looked for you.
JAMIE:yes.
REBECCA:My mom was like, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Let me help you pack goodbye and close the door.
JAMIE:So these girls, okay, so these girls ran away and what they did,
REBECCA:and how to where and how.
JAMIE:so they just came to school and they all had an extra bag. So they had like their backpack for school and then an extra little bag, I
REBECCA:There's stick with a bundle on the end, hobo.
JAMIE:No. What were bindals in like the late nineties? It would've been like,
REBECCA:Okay.
JAMIE:I don't know, like a Victoria's Secret tote that you got like free with purchase or something. What el what? El what else? think I don't know. But so a few of us saw when they were trying to leave, and so we stopped and watched them. And so they like opened a door to go out and they took out, nobody was around except like a few of us kids. And so they opened the door to go out of the school and look around, no teachers like, or parents or anything. And then they ran. They literally ran. I was like, why are you running? I was like, okay. So they run,
REBECCA:the name Jamie. God, have you never ran away before or anything?
JAMIE:no, that's not even the best part. So as they're running the one girl, Jessica, whatever bag she had, she probably had the Victoria's Secret bag, but it was like packed so full, like I don't know what this girl fucking brought to run away with, but it was a lot. but I do don't want things she brought. And so something fell out of her bag and like us standing there we're like, oh, she dropped. Oh, she's coming back. Wait, they stopped. She's going back to get like what she dropped. And you know what it was, it was a pair of high heeled jelly shoes. And I remember even at that age being like, why the fuck did she bring her high heeled jelly shoes
REBECCA:Those are the
JAMIE:to run away as a young witch?
REBECCA:Shut the.
JAMIE:Oh yeah. So I didn't get to wait. You were so high pitched your mic, couldn't possibly pick you up. What'd you say?
REBECCA:I forgot about the witch part. That makes it even better. A little high school witch with her fucking jelly sandals.
JAMIE:Yeah, they were like the clear ones and they were sparkly.
REBECCA:Her padded bra, her jelly sandals, her straightener.
JAMIE:Yeah. It was. Oh man. It was hilarious.
REBECCA:right. You would've been really good at running away.'cause you would've known like to actually pack the good stuff.
JAMIE:I would've been like, I got canned goods like in my, in my bag. Like I don't even know what I would bring. My sister wore exclusively jello, jello, jelly shoes for ages. I forgot about those. Yeah, that was like such a huge thing. I had a pair of just like flats I remember at one point. But they were uncomfortable as fuck.
REBECCA:Yeah.'cause they made your feet
JAMIE:Yeah.
REBECCA:and then you would get blisters and then they would never get clean and they just smelled weird. The, yeah. No, I hated jellies.
JAMIE:And she turned around and ran back with one of the other girls, yelling, we'll conjure up more later. Forget about them. I'm just kidding.
REBECCA:where were they going though? Like where were they planning? Were like the streets or like a different state or like a bus shelter.
JAMIE:they thought that they were like running away for good. They were running away from the city, from their families. I don't,
REBECCA:In Ohio or mic was
JAMIE:this was Michigan. This was Michigan. So I don't, I don't think I was privy'cause like they did share with people that they were gonna run away, but they didn't say like a plan. But I remember, like they, I remember actually being in choir and they were all behind me. And so they were all in their like notebooks and their like, books of shadow and whatnot and whatever. And I remember like turning around to look at them and them being like writing, like writing more stuff. So I think they had a plan. I, maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I really don't know. And I don't even remember what happened.'cause I know they got in trouble. I think they got like a couple blocks and I think one of the kids that was watching'em was like a snitch. And so I think one of those kids was like, they ran away. I am concerned about their safety. Meanwhile, I was just like, this dumb bitch brought jelly shoes. Good riddance.
REBECCA:She's gonna be the first to get kidnapped.
JAMIE:She's not gonna survive out there. You can't even hawk those for a good price. Like, why?
REBECCA:Oh fuck. Did you ever run away in high school? Like to a friend's house or just I'm leaving for the night or just, Hmm.
JAMIE:No, in middle school I did a couple times. One that I really remember that was the one I was telling you about. But I just ran to the end of my street and there was this, so there's this office building at the end of my street and I always called it the wall. my high school boyfriend would sometimes meet me at the wall and we would make out, but it was like a short wall, but it was like on the main road. So the wall was maybe like two feet or three feet or something like that, that was like around this building. And so I ran there and there was like a corner where there was like a little snow bank that had piled up by the office parking lot. And I had I remember like I dove in there'cause my mom was like driving by and so I just hid there. Happy birthday too. Remember it's having a birthday. It's both of our birthdays. This is our birthday month. yeah, we're doing a giveaway raffle, but for some reason this is not working, so That's great.
REBECCA:reminder though. It's a good reminder. What was the worst punishment you ever had?
JAMIE:Being grounded for a month. And on top of that also that meant I was grounded from music.
REBECCA:Oh shit.
JAMIE:allowed to listen to music.
REBECCA:Yep. I had that,
JAMIE:And that's just huh?
REBECCA:I got my door and my bed taken away.
JAMIE:Oh yeah. That's messed up. You had told me that your door,
REBECCA:Bed, yeah. Bed door and music. So it was like literally perfect.
JAMIE:like bed and door, like that's,
REBECCA:Yeah.
JAMIE:it's pretty,
REBECCA:That's not, that's not good. It was not my favorite one.
JAMIE:there's like documentaries about parents who have
REBECCA:Should, should have. You know what? I really should have leaned harder into running away. Should have just been, I didn't know how
JAMIE:Yeah. I never like really did. yeah. I was grounded from my books for a month. Yeah.
REBECCA:being grounded from book. I got grounded from the library in seventh grade and that fucked me up'cause I wanted to read and I didn't wanna do my schoolwork. Yeah, no. That was the worst thing they could do, like lost access to books. My most favorite thing in the
JAMIE:Yeah. That'll do it. I, I remember when they grounded me from music though. That, so I, it was when I shaved my head in eighth grade that I got grounded for a month. And that was the longest I'd ever been like by far. I think the longest I had been grounded by, at that point was like a week. I don't even think I had been grounded for two weeks before.
REBECCA:Amateur.
JAMIE:And my oldest sibling, Brent found out that I was like, grounded. And so that was like, I don't know, I think he was like 19, 18 or 19, probably about 19. He was six years older than me at the time. And he found out about it. And I remember I was coming downstairs from my bedroom one day and I heard Brent talking to my mom in the kitchen. And so I stopped'cause they were like talking about me and I was listening and Brent was like, you can't ground somebody from music. that's art. what is, and he was like arguing for me. And I was like, okay. oh, that's sweet. It didn't help though. So
REBECCA:No. Yeah. Grounding us from, grounding us from literature and music. That's a,
JAMIE:I think that's messed
REBECCA:I I'm sure there was a focus on the family article somewhere that came out being like, if you really wanna get your kids, yeah.
JAMIE:and Nine Inch Nails
REBECCA:Mm-hmm.
JAMIE:are like, yes.
REBECCA:Yes. Ground them from
JAMIE:Don't let them. Pat said, I was always just grounded to my room or in the corner for hours. Geez. I talked to my English teacher into giving me book reports for extra credit. That's awesome.
REBECCA:yeah,
JAMIE:Wow. That's great. Cosmic, I talk teachers
REBECCA:Grounded from books.
JAMIE:I was so good. I'm, I can be so manipulative when I want to be.
REBECCA:I would go in and help teachers grade paper. See, I'm saying this out loud, I'm realizing I shouldn't say out loud, but now I'm going to finish. In elementary school, I would go to teacher's classrooms and I would help them grade papers instead of, socializing with my own fucking peer group.
JAMIE:And she doesn't know why, but she didn't really have that many friends.
REBECCA:yep. But again, I got to tell them what was wrong, mark it with a red pen, and then write the right answer in there. And I was very good at it.
JAMIE:I feel like.
REBECCA:I should save my so much money on therapy. I feel like I've just solved myself.
JAMIE:I feel like you're also the kid who would've done really well on the dress code committee. when they pull a student on and you're supposed to go around and give people slips. like a dress code committee. I've only actually seen this in shows. We never had this.
REBECCA:Oh, I was like, holy shit. I thought you meant you had one that was, that's insane. Okay.
JAMIE:but
REBECCA:You know who else had a dress code committee? The fucking
JAMIE:Nazis. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
REBECCA:It all comes back to that.
JAMIE:We had a dress code for sure,
REBECCA:Did you get sent home for breaking the dress code?
JAMIE:I never actually got sent home for breaking dress code. But I did get in trouble a lot for breaking dress code and when I shaved my head, they didn't know what to do with me. What? Go ahead
REBECCA:Pat got in trouble for spitting and had to sit and spit into a cup until it was full.
JAMIE:It at school or at home?
REBECCA:You got, you cannot tell your sister-in-law about it.
JAMIE:That is, that's awful.
REBECCA:That's
JAMIE:That's even worse than oh, you wanna smoke cigarettes, kid here, smoke this entire pack right now?
REBECCA:Oh, you didn't have to do that?
JAMIE:Mm-hmm.
REBECCA:No, my uncle gave me a cigarette, so solve that real quick.
JAMIE:No, I was just smoking and keeping a secret for a very long time, or at least I had convinced myself I was keeping it a secret.
REBECCA:That is
JAMIE:That's unbelievable.
REBECCA:fucking funny.
JAMIE:I.
REBECCA:I'm sorry. It's very clear which one of us is not a parent because I'm like, that's fucking so creative and hilarious, and you're like, that's off.
JAMIE:That's creative and hilarious. Rebecca's taking notes.
REBECCA:I bet your mom was like, you feel like spitting, go ahead. Spit all you want that She gave you the cup right in the mom voice. I love it so much.
JAMIE:Thank you guys for coming. thanks for hanging out with us and doing all this. We really appreciate it. Yeah. Don't forget to enter the giveaway.
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REBECCA:Mm-hmm.
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REBECCA:And we're gonna randomly pick two winners and they will receive their choice of either a pack of burnout, stickers or merch. A burnout T-shirt.
JAMIE:T-shirt. Yeah. Okay. Bye everybody. Thank you for our
REBECCA:Bye. Love you.
JAMIE:Thanks so much. All right, love you guys. Bye.
