Jamie: 0:00

I asked a lot of questions in a work meeting and you were like,

Rebecca: 0:04

That bitch.

Jamie: 0:04

bet she's a, I bet she's a pain in the ass that I need to get to know.

Rebecca: 0:09

A hundred percent.

Jamie: 0:10

and you're so glad you did.

0:14

I am Jamie. And I'm Rebecca. Welcome to the Burnout Collective.

Jamie: 0:22

We did an interview.

Rebecca: 0:23

We did an interview. it was amazing. Was it with listen notes? Listen notes.

Jamie: 0:32

Listen, we stayed up late working on this interview.

Rebecca: 0:35

we did, they, they interview only the most unhinged of podcasters and ours was accepted and,

Jamie: 0:42

It's an exclusive. They're the only ones who've been able to interview the burnout Collective.

Rebecca: 0:48

yeah. they talked about our, we talked about our creative with them starting up from scratch. our tale, our origin story. And it was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it.

Jamie: 1:00

Yeah, we did an interview, read it. it's actually pretty, I feel like it's actually pretty serious for us, so,

Rebecca: 1:08

we did a really good job not being dicks,

Jamie: 1:11

mean, well, I don't think we actually get to talk, like you and I know exactly why we started this and how we feel about it and how important it is to us. But I feel like a lot of people, especially like new listeners, probably just think we're, we're here for comic relief and dark humor and making fun of our mental illnesses, which is also true, but, it means a lot to us.

Rebecca: 1:42

Oh, Elyssa's back by the way, Elyssa's

Jamie: 1:44

oh yeah.

Rebecca: 1:45

So Elyssa's over at the, world Builders Book Club. she took a little bit break, but she's back.

Jamie: 1:50

Every, what is it? 10:00 AM Pacific. Every Sunday. Please go. We call it church. We call it church with Elyssa, but please go hang out Elyssa. she's reading and learning and fucking educating the masses. just

Rebecca: 2:10

Being a good person, but like in a way that legitimately, genuinely makes you wanna be a good person and doesn't make you feel like they're putting on a front. She's just good.

Jamie: 2:20

She's the type of person that you think, there aren't any people like that in the world

Rebecca: 2:25

Yes.

Jamie: 2:26

but we love her so much. She's amazing. Please go check her out. Please follow her, give her support. Like she, she deserves so many viewers and she deserves like such a bigger audience because what she has to say is actually important. So, is that it? Yeah. Oh, you, you know, follow us on the Discord, the discard as Rebecca likes to say. Um, and

Rebecca: 2:52

listen. Rate and review on your podcast at Please wherever you find us. us a cunt yet in the comments, so you could be the

Jamie: 3:00

You could be first. You could be the first. anyway, today we're here to talk about friendship.

Rebecca: 3:09

Yes.

Jamie: 3:11

yeah. So this started with us talking about like friend breakups, especially like as an adult. And it turned into just like the wider idea of making friends as an adult and like how hard that is to do. But then we started talking about like the different tiers of friendship and, I don't even know where to begin with this one.

Rebecca: 3:31

I think media ruined the concept of adult friends for a lot of us. Friends where everyone just hung out together as roommates. It was just like we're friends all the time and we do things all the time and we're always together. When in reality do you know how fucking hard it is to make friends with people you don't work with?'cause you don't have time anywhere else.

Jamie: 3:49

we were lucky, like.

Rebecca: 3:52

Mm-hmm.

Jamie: 3:53

I asked a lot of questions in a work meeting and you were like,

Rebecca: 3:56

That bitch.

Jamie: 3:57

bet she's a, I bet she's a pain in the ass that I need to get to know.

Rebecca: 4:02

A hundred percent.

Jamie: 4:03

and you're so glad you did.

Rebecca: 4:05

Yeah. No, it's, it is, it's legit. Especially if you were one of those kids who was awkward or ha undiagnosed autistic who really couldn't make friends as a kid, and so you kind of struggled there as an adult. It's even harder to the point where I just go, actually, I'll just read you an actual email I sent to someone,

Jamie: 4:28

what?

Rebecca: 4:29

because I wanted to get dinner with them It says, hi, I would like to grab a beverage slash food item one of these weekends if you're open to it. Here is my phone number. making friends as adults is weird and stupid. That was my message. So I just say it out loud now. I'm just like, this is awkward and I feel weird about this because it does, it feels weird to, it's I would like to do a

Jamie: 4:52

Hey, I like hanging out with you. Hey, I met you and you're pretty cool and I would like to maybe meet you again sometime.

Rebecca: 4:59

right. I would like to hang out with you outside of where we know, but

Jamie: 5:03

Yeah.

Rebecca: 5:03

not like you see'em every day at school. It's not like you see them every day at work. So.

Jamie: 5:08

has that ever backfired on you though? Sorry? let's say like a work friend, you know, where you're like, oh, they seem pretty cool. Let me, see if I can like, get them to hang out outside of work. But they, you do hang out outside of work and you realize that they're like a narc or some shit, you know what I mean?

Rebecca: 5:27

Her actual name was Karen.

Jamie: 5:29

Here we go.

Rebecca: 5:30

She invited me over to her house for dinner. It turned out that she was part of the

Jamie: 5:39

Cannibals.

Rebecca: 5:40

on and anointing oil

Jamie: 5:43

Oh, great. Did they wanna pray over

Rebecca: 5:45

sh She did, she wanted,

Jamie: 5:48

did to me?

Rebecca: 5:49

yes. So she wanted to anoint me and bless me, and I had to leave. So, um, that wasn't, that wasn't a good time. I would call that a backfire.

Jamie: 6:02

Were you like, no. And did you like run out screaming?

Rebecca: 6:06

I did, there was another time I went out for drinks with someone and we were sitting on the patio and we're just having drinks and food and stuff, and then she just started peeing,

Jamie: 6:18

I'm sorry, what?

Rebecca: 6:20

but then

Jamie: 6:20

Do you live in Los Angeles or do I live in Los Angeles?

Rebecca: 6:24

we were just sitting and it was those, you know, those chairs with the metal grates through'em and we're just sitting there and I'm like, do I

Jamie: 6:30

I mean, maybe that was really embarrassing for her. Like maybe,

Rebecca: 6:33

Right. But she's

Jamie: 6:34

maybe she saw the person that like murdered, her father in front of her and she was, could be

Rebecca: 6:44

that's really, I didn't bring it up. I wasn't like, Hey, it looks like you're pissing your pants right now. I didn't say anything. I

Jamie: 6:50

maybe

Rebecca: 6:51

I was like, should we get

Jamie: 6:52

if I just started If I just started peeing when we were out, like to eat, what would you say? If it was me?

Rebecca: 6:58

for you, I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Because I would hope you

Jamie: 7:02

now I feel worse about it now. I'm never gonna pee in, like in my chair out to eat with you in public ever. I'm too scared.

Rebecca: 7:10

I just, what do you, what do you do in that situation? I don't know. It was weird.

Jamie: 7:13

wonder what that's like. That's not, that's not a normal situation. Is there a twist to the story? Was it a dog, Mina says,

Rebecca: 7:21

Nope. It was just a very tiny little girl who's just having some drinks and I don't know if she just over drank and just was like, this seems like a good spot. I don't know.

Jamie: 7:31

I have a story like that about somebody, but like I'm, no, I'm not gonna tell it.'cause I like this person. I. And I'm a good friend, Rebecca.

Rebecca: 7:41

Oh, okay. Is it me? But I've just called it as we've gotten older, I've just, I've literally called it bullying people into friendship because

Jamie: 7:48

Yeah, that's what you did to me.

Rebecca: 7:50

No, I know. And that's what I did. I said, I want, we're going to be friends now. And that's just how I've approached adult friendships in the workplace. I go up and I said, Hey, we're gonna be friends. It's worked pretty good so far.

Jamie: 8:01

But then have you ever had to do the like, Hey, remember how I said we're gonna be friends? I changed my mind. We're not gonna be friends.

Rebecca: 8:09

no.'cause I don't talk to them. There's a very clear it's very clear when I wanna be friends with someone and it takes a lot for

Jamie: 8:15

No. What? Clear. Very clear with you, with your face, your little face. No,

Rebecca: 8:24

yeah. Um, so it's worked.

Jamie: 8:28

I mean, you got me like you're

Rebecca: 8:30

How about you

Jamie: 8:31

that. You're done after that.

Rebecca: 8:32

and Elyssa and Michael? Kind of,

Jamie: 8:36

And for me, and for us, we've worked remotely for so long too that it's like, especially, especially for me as like, um, you know, I, like, I live alone currently. I don't live with my partner and it's just me here. I work completely remotely. even if I made friends at work, like nobody, even though I live in a big city, like nobody really lives here at all. and that's usually it when you're an adult. I remember when I met Elyssa for the first time at work, that's actually how we bonded is she brought up how hard it is to make friends as an adult. And I was like, you know, you're, you're fucking right. And like back then I think we were like, I was in my like mid twenties, I think so where to make friends. Like I, but I think like mid to late twenties was when I started being like, I'm not gonna go out and party like I'm done. I did that in my teens, I did that throughout the majority of my twenties. I'm done. So I think already I was like an old woman and I was like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna not do that. So like, how the fuck am I gonna get friends?

Rebecca: 9:46

I have all the friends I'll ever need. Like that kind of situation, or it was just like, I'm not gonna bother to make crus.

Jamie: 9:52

No, no, no, no. I'm just saying like, that's why it was hard for me because that's why it was so hard.

Rebecca: 10:00

Yeah. And again, when your entire life is devoted to 40 hours in a week, and so is everyone else's finding time to do something different or do something together, like where the fuck do you find them? Where the fuck are you supposed to find people? I've found people in grocery stores. I've made friends with someone in a grocery store. She had a baby and the baby was wearing a little nerdy shirt and I went up to the mom and was like, I love your baby's outfit. And then she and I became close friends for 12 years. That was just a weird one.

Jamie: 10:32

That's insane. That's not even like you like today. Would you ever go up to somebody in the grocery store?

Rebecca: 10:42

it was a very specific like niche nerd shirt that I knew was good, A good person

Jamie: 10:48

like, stay sexy, don't get murdered. You were like, yes.

Rebecca: 10:54

no, it was Firefly.

Jamie: 10:56

Oh, nice. Fuck yeah. I would do the same then. Okay.

Rebecca: 10:59

Right, right. So that's why I was like, I love, I love her baby shirt. so she was good people.

Jamie: 11:06

Yeah.

Rebecca: 11:06

But yeah, it's either you march up to them or you just kind of go throughout your day. And I. You really, you really don't see any other people, especially working from

Jamie: 11:18

Oh yeah. It's

Rebecca: 11:20

And the thing with work friends, work friends are also like, there's a time where you aren't really sure if you're work friend work friends are just like kind of friends enough to fuck you over later too, right?

Jamie: 11:32

yeah,

Rebecca: 11:32

of friends you have to kind of like just be chit chatty with and careful with? keep it surface

Jamie: 11:36

am, I'm too trusting of, I think once I've kind of like let you into the fold a little bit, I can be, I don't know. Do you think I'm a good judge of character? Looks like I am picky.

Rebecca: 11:50

Oh, but then also like the friends that you bring. Okay, so then there's like the friends from high school and college too. Like you guys all go your separate ways. You all start your separate jobs.

Jamie: 11:59

you still friends with people from high school and college?

Rebecca: 12:04

I'm friends with one and a half people from college, no, one and a half people from high school. No one and a half friends in high school, that's it,

Jamie: 12:12

I am not friends with anyone from high school. I maybe have, I have two friends from college that I still talk to

Rebecca: 12:21

Mm-hmm.

Jamie: 12:22

and I mean, see more often than any other college friends, but like still, I probably see them like every seven years or six years or something, maybe.

Rebecca: 12:33

Yeah. And also does friendship count, if you aren't going to see them again probably, but like you guys still follow each other on social media and like every once in a while, does that count

Jamie: 12:40

See that's,

Rebecca: 12:41

or is that just

Jamie: 12:42

that's one of the tiers,

Rebecca: 12:44

That's

Jamie: 12:44

because I have that too. I think I am, I think I am on that tier technically with, a couple high school friends. we haven't always followed each other on social media, since high school or anything. But as we've grown up, I guess found each other on social media and followed. So there's maybe two or three people, maybe from high school tops that I might just like, but I don't even necessarily say anything. There's one person I'll sometimes comment on, but there don't talk. We're just like social media people. Social

Rebecca: 13:17

Yeah.

Jamie: 13:18

Social, social

Rebecca: 13:19

the friend Social Moss, he's actually junior high, so it's been since I was 13. I've known him, which is crazy to me. And we talk regularly.

Jamie: 13:29

So we have like social media friends

Rebecca: 13:33

the majority of friends though I have an hour are from work.

Jamie: 13:36

Yeah, same. That's very true. Work. Or the internet, honestly, like my closest group of friends is probably from work. And then I also have my closest group of friends that includes Marina, from the internet. But it also helped too, that like we met and we happened to live near each other, so we got to meet up like enough.

Rebecca: 14:03

Even it's just a couple times in person. Although, hold on a minute, I thought of a whole new tier that we didn't even discuss. So back in the live journal Zynga days, when some of us were blogging really hard, I still have friends that I talk to and texts with. I have never met in fucking person. Ever.

Jamie: 14:23

I think IS

Rebecca: 14:24

them friends.

Jamie: 14:25

yeah. Oh, I have friends that I haven't met. Person that I consider friends,

Rebecca: 14:29

It's like pen pals, but ratcheted up.

Jamie: 14:32

Zynga was the hot topic version of Live Journal. Meh. Live, live journal was a very hot topic. Very, yeah. There are, there are people like, I think about from like, from like my online past that I'm like, oh, I wonder how that person's doing. I wonder how they turned out since I hadn't haven't talked to them since I was like a wee goth last,

Rebecca: 14:57

Madeline was one of those, actually, I'm pretty sure. Madeline.

Jamie: 15:02

I thought you met her at work.

Rebecca: 15:04

Mm-hmm.

Jamie: 15:05

Oh, that's really

Rebecca: 15:07

No, I know, I think I've, was it her was, it was either following her social media or her blog. I forget. But that's how I found Madeline

Jamie: 15:16

That's awesome.

Rebecca: 15:16

with social media. which is crazy.

Jamie: 15:19

Erica and I met in a sailor moon chat room when we were 14, so I'm very sailor Neptune right now too. Anyway, who else? There's just a lot there. there are a lot of people that and we had met obviously, but so we been friends and known each other since was like over 25 years, which is really fucking insane. there is something about like.

Rebecca: 15:49

Okay.

Jamie: 15:49

someone just knows so much about you, especially like your past, and like a lot of shit, it's crazy. That's a long time to know

Rebecca: 15:58

Yeah. Yeah. My two best friends in high school, we don't talk and like one of'em was at my wedding, but we don't talk anymore at all, which is a bummer.'cause it's like, it sucks to see that, but it also sucks to see him kind of turn nga. so that's out

Jamie: 16:16

And there's that,

Rebecca: 16:19

Yeah.

Jamie: 16:20

that can bring us right into friend breakups.

Rebecca: 16:24

Fuck. Are you, are you a, I wanna sit down like a, have you actually had to break up, break up with a friend and b, if you did, are you a ghoster or are you just like, let's fucking hash this out and throw up about it and then walk away?

Jamie: 16:43

I think my personality is one to talk about it and hash it out and talk it out and then walk away, make the decision and together and walk away.

Rebecca: 16:56

Mm-hmm.

Jamie: 16:57

But I've only had like kind of two friendship breakups I guess in my life, as an adult and. It's like ghosting. It was kind. Both were kind, kind of ghosting in a way. which is not me. so I do feel like I have some guilt about that. But I also know that like I had to walk away from situations that were harmful, maybe not even harmful toward me, but, not allowing me to be who I am and live my life, which sounds insane, but I don't know. I'm a Taurus, I'm super fucking loyal, like to you. So if we're friends, like I'm always a ride or die,

Rebecca: 17:43

Yep. You're the first friend I've had. You're the first friend I've had a knockout drag down fight with, but like actually wanted to talk about it. If you were in a lower tier, I just would not have bothered and would not have talked to you at

Jamie: 17:57

wait, hang on. I want, I want you to tell everybody what tier friend I am.

Rebecca: 18:03

You are my, you are a pooping tier,

Jamie: 18:05

I'm the poop

Rebecca: 18:05

like the poop tier friend from either we're getting ready in the same bathroom and someone has to take a shit and or sharing a hotel room and someone has to take a shit.

Jamie: 18:17

Mm-hmm.

Rebecca: 18:19

You're the pooping friend

Jamie: 18:20

Oh, she'd poop in front of me. She wouldn't poop. Poop in front of her husband. No,

Rebecca: 18:24

not

Jamie: 18:25

but me,

Rebecca: 18:26

ever,

Jamie: 18:27

sorry, Robert.

Rebecca: 18:30

he is really missing

Jamie: 18:31

I guess I just have that effect on people.

Rebecca: 18:34

No, but that, and it was weird too, be it was like,'cause the other thing about adult friendships is that it takes on, I mean, depending on tiers, but it takes on a level of I don't wanna say marriage because that's not the right word, but it's more intimate than just

Jamie: 18:47

marriage, sorry.

Rebecca: 18:49

friends when you were little. Right? Like, you know, shit about me and I, we talk about things that like you don't talk about with other people. and so there's there's hurt when something happens and you have to keep communicating and you have to make sure the other person understands Hey, I'm, I just can't do this right now. But it's not perfect. Like you just have to make sure that like you're keeping that relationship alive and it takes a lot more effort and work than it was when you were kids. And that's something I've really had to learn and work on as an adult.

Jamie: 19:19

it's a lot of fucking work and I think that's why like a lot of people, I think, find themselves, me included, like later on in their adult life being like, I. I finally feel like I have this group of friends that I always wanted, or this best that I always wanted that type of relationship with, because we just learn. It's it's just like any relationship. You know, when you first start dating, and having relationships with people as a teenager or in your twenties, I was like despicable. Like I didn't know what I wanted. I didn't know what I deserved. I didn't know my worth when I was a teenager. Like, please. and you learn that. You learn

Rebecca: 19:58

do you mean?

Jamie: 19:59

Oh, I'm just saying. I was like, just a stupid, no, just like a stupid fucking teenager. In relationships

Rebecca: 20:07

Oh, okay.

Jamie: 20:08

were you not stupid in relationships as a teenager?

Rebecca: 20:11

no,'cause I, again, like I never was able to make friends as a little kid. And so I, like I had one friend and I clung really tightly to her because like I would've

Jamie: 20:19

I, I'm talking about like dating.

Rebecca: 20:22

oh, I was a fucking cunt.

Jamie: 20:24

Okay.

Rebecca: 20:26

Sorry. I thought we were talking about

Jamie: 20:27

No, that, yeah, that's what I was saying.

Rebecca: 20:30

My bad.

Jamie: 20:31

because, but you learn, we are talking about friendships, but my example just then was like dating.

Rebecca: 20:36

No, I got it. I connected the lines. I got it.

Jamie: 20:38

And so you learn just like we always talk about how like we learned how to be good fucking managers from a lot of terrible managers from

Rebecca: 20:50

Yep.

Jamie: 20:51

Yeah. we saw exactly what not to do. We experienced for stand exactly what not to do. And that's how we learned, to be good. It's the same thing with relationships. Like you go through it, like you have those experiences and that's why I always say I don't have any regrets. I'm like, okay, you know, like that relationship sucked, but I'm glad I did it because like I did get x, y, and Z out of it, and I did learn this out of it. Of course, I can't see that like at the time when it's a breakup, but yeah,

Rebecca: 21:21

Do you wanna, you wanna know my favorite friendship breakup?

Jamie: 21:24

Go

Rebecca: 21:25

My friend Sarah was gonna get married to this piece of shit, weasel named Todd.'cause of course he was named Todd. And he was a Todd. He was a Todd. He would, um, actually her so much every time we went over, this bitch could not make eggs in front of him without getting Unle right. And she asked me to be in her wedding and I was like, oh,

Jamie: 21:45

And you were like, um, actually,

Rebecca: 21:49

then I forget how oh, I was right and whatever it happened. She like, she called me and she was like, so what's the matter? You just don't like him or something? you don't want me to get married to him? And I just told her, I was like, no, I think he treats you badly and I think that he's not good for you and I think you're really young and I think this is your first boyfriend and um, he's really mean to you. And she kicked me out of the wedding.

Jamie: 22:16

of course.

Rebecca: 22:18

and then I never talked to her again. And then three years later the phone rang and it was her and she was like, so, um, actually Todd turned out to be a giant fucking asshole and we're getting a divorce.

Jamie: 22:33

We need I need a button on the stream deck. Do you know, do you ever watch that chapter podcast?

Rebecca: 22:40

It, this is not an I was right face. This was like a, it's about fucking time you realize, and I'm so glad you

Jamie: 22:45

Answer, answer the fucking question? Do you, do you, have you listened or watched any of that chapter podcast?

Rebecca: 22:52

No.

Jamie: 22:53

Okay. whenever they're telling like true crime stories about like murder. And they're like, oh, and guess what? Like it's always guess who recently took out an insurance policy? So he has, it's like a life insurance dance years. No, your is gonna be like, when people come to you years later and tell you that you were right all along, because that is like your favorite fucking thing in the world.

Rebecca: 23:15

It is my favorite

Jamie: 23:16

at her thing. Look how happy she is. Look at her. She's

Rebecca: 23:19

It is,

Jamie: 23:20

Glowing with just I'm rightness.

Rebecca: 23:25

was terrible. He was terrible. And I'm so glad. And also he was Todd, so she's happily married. We'd never talk again, but like I was okay letting

Jamie: 23:33

Oh, she called you once just to be like, I just want you to know that's a, that's a good

Rebecca: 23:40

we should meet up again. And I was like, no, I'm okay. we don't have to. Because I had known her, I had also known her for years and years and years. And if

Jamie: 23:47

probably like missed

Rebecca: 23:48

after years and years and years, I would miss

Jamie: 23:51

I don't always listen to you.

Rebecca: 23:53

it's fine though.

Jamie: 23:55

Okay.

Rebecca: 23:56

It's okay. You're not getting married to Todd, so the bar is in hell at that point for

Jamie: 24:02

you. don't know. Todd and I are getting married in a parking structure tomorrow, so.

Rebecca: 24:07

I, if you saw Todd, you'd be like, anyway, but yeah, so that's, so losing friends over like a stance, like a moral stance is another really big one. Like MAGA or

Jamie: 24:21

Oh

Rebecca: 24:21

know, Todd, That's a big

Jamie: 24:24

I didn't even think, we didn't even, like when we were talking about doing this episode, we weren't even thinking about like family breakups over that same

Rebecca: 24:34

the, the pool is, the pool is so small. The friendship pool as an adult is so small that like to lose those friendship is like, god dammit, another one.

Jamie: 24:41

Yeah. Especially when like, you've vested time, you know, like I

Rebecca: 24:46

Mm-hmm.

Jamie: 24:47

feel like when you're a kid, like I bet we've had tons of friendship breakups as kids, you know?

Rebecca: 24:53

there's a comedian I follow who's like, it's so easy to make friends as a kid. Like, you just go up and you're like, Hey, I have a lizard in my pocket. Hey, I seen this cool rock. Let's see. Friends.

Jamie: 25:02

Rebecca, I told you cannot just go up to kids on the playground and tell them you have a fucking lizard in your pocket. I swear to

Rebecca: 25:09

a,

Jamie: 25:10

What a horrible example. Why did you pick a lizard?

Rebecca: 25:14

That's her joke. And she's like, that's how little kids make friends. And it's true. Like they just, they are friends of a weird shit and no one overthinks it. And no one's like, well, who did you vote for? It's just here's some cool stuff.

Jamie: 25:26

That's how Rob and I became fr they became friends in college and Marina's that's how you were like, Hey, I have a, such as a beer in my hand. Oh, I thought it was gonna be a snake in Rob's boot. You know what I mean? If you know what I mean. Um, manic. If I didn't have marching band as a crutch, I wouldn't have had any friends at all. I didn't have any dating as a teenager that I didn't have any dating as a teenager though. When do you all do the episode where Jamie's listens. Okay.

Rebecca: 25:57

Yeah, marching band, was also a friendship, a friendship and dating playground. I was also in

Jamie: 26:04

Hobby friendships. Hobby friendships. Right.

Rebecca: 26:08

no, it was incestuous as fuck. everyone I dated, cheated on me with my best friend of Marcy Band.

Jamie: 26:14

Oh my God. Fucking band nerds. So, so

Rebecca: 26:17

I know. And then you would just, it was so incestuous that one of the flag girls ended up marrying the band teacher.

Jamie: 26:26

I think you told me this a while ago. Of course, of

Rebecca: 26:30

yeah. So they were good friends. but yeah, that was, that was kind of like where I, that was the large pool of friends was marching band and band class actually.

Jamie: 26:41

And didn't you

Rebecca: 26:41

And choir.

Jamie: 26:42

didn't you have a lot of friends from oh, A lot of thespian friends.'cause I never

Rebecca: 26:47

I was always in pit orchestra, but I was fr, I mean, there's a lot of crossover. I was friends with like the gay theater guys.

Jamie: 26:53

never did theater and I never did band actually

Rebecca: 26:57

No, I did like pit orchestra for all the plays, and I did choir and honor

Jamie: 27:02

in middle school or high school. Did you ever play any like sports ever? I did.

Rebecca: 27:10

I look like,

Jamie: 27:11

I was

Rebecca: 27:12

did you play soccer,

Jamie: 27:13

no, never. No, I played basketball, volleyball.

Rebecca: 27:22

Ooh,

Jamie: 27:23

Maybe that was it. And

Rebecca: 27:24

I bet you

Jamie: 27:25

I was a cheerleader in middle school and I think the only reason I made the cheerleading squad was because I'm so fucking loud. And they were like, yes. Like her voice carries. This is perfect. I was really loud. I'm very

Rebecca: 27:42

I was gonna say it certainly wasn't because of your positivity.

Jamie: 27:45

no. And it was like, it was at the time where I think I was like just about to go into, go from like grade school, Jamie, into whatever the hell I became in like middle school. So goth, punk, rebellious, always. I guess always rebellious, but I decided apparently to look the part, I guess. Um,

Rebecca: 28:14

I will need to see pictures of cheerleader Jamie later. Thank you.

Jamie: 28:18

I wish that I had decided to stick with it so that when I shaved my head, I bet you they wouldn't, I bet you they would not have let me go to games and cheer

Rebecca: 28:31

this is a bureaucracy and you are not allowed to.

Jamie: 28:36

but I'm, so, I like, I'm so good at volleyball and I love volleyball. I only played it freshman year. I, so I played it all through middle school. That's the only thing I stuck with all through middle school. I played at freshman year of high school, and then I just, I gave up because I was like, I fuck this place. Like, I don't, I don't wanna spend any more time here than I have to. So I gave up that, but I scared the hell out of the girls on the other, like Lutheran volleyball, Lutheran, high school, not high school, Lutheran middle school, volleyball teams, all of the, whispering and everything.'cause like my head was shaved and I would yell service as yeah, I'm like wearing fishnet. No, I would yell service. Like my coach actually would get irritated with me because I would do it. So obnoxiously on purpose. It's like I'm going to war out here. like I wanna scare them. So I would just yell, service as loud as possible and then fucking spike the ball. As hard as shit, I was really good. I'm tall. Fucking got that.

Rebecca: 29:37

So many things just clicked into place for me with that.

Jamie: 29:40

What?

Rebecca: 29:41

That's just, that makes so much, you make a lot more sense now, just

Jamie: 29:47

so glad

Rebecca: 29:48

that's interesting. Yeah. Sports, I think I see sports people are,

Jamie: 29:52

flag girls are

Rebecca: 29:53

oh,

Jamie: 29:53

their reputation. Reputation there. I was. I was like on good terms, not like friends, but I was on like decent terms with everybody except the assholes, which was the majority, unfortunately.

Rebecca: 30:11

oh. I was on such not good terms with most everyone. I went to school with that, uh, junior year of high school. a bunch of girls who I thought hated me showed up on their bikes outside. They're like,

Jamie: 30:26

no,

Rebecca: 30:28

Vian really likes you, you get, he just, he just really likes you and really wants to date you. And like, he wants to ask you out. What do you think? And I was like, oh, okay.

Jamie: 30:38

I just hear like. Warning, warning, like lights are flashing.

Rebecca: 30:43

Mm-hmm. Again, would like to point you to the undiagnosed portion of my childhood. And I was like, oh, okay. And they're like, he's gonna come tell you. He came over and he's like. So, I wanna date you and I think you're really cute. And can I give you a kiss? And I was like, I guess. And then he's like, Ew, gross. I never kiss you. And all those fucking girls popped out and like, Ew, gross. He never like you.

Jamie: 31:06

Dude, this is like,

Rebecca: 31:07

ran away on their bikes.

Jamie: 31:08

is like a nineties coming of age movie, like Rebecca.

Rebecca: 31:14

Yep.

Jamie: 31:15

Anyway, if we were friends, if we knew each other back then and we were friends, like I would've beat the shit out of them through you.

Rebecca: 31:21

thank you. Thank you. I, if this was any other show I would, or any other movie, I would've become, what's her face from the craft, the scary one. Far the

Jamie: 31:31

Oh yeah,

Rebecca: 31:31

I would've become her.

Jamie: 31:33

Nancy.

Rebecca: 31:34

I just didn't have access to any of that. I would become Nancy, but I didn't. Now I just have rage. but yeah, so like I,

Jamie: 31:40

cause we love Nancy. We love Nancy.

Rebecca: 31:44

Yeah, so I took friends willingly, and a lot of times to my disadvantage, I don't know, sorry,

Jamie: 31:53

I hate kids. Kids are so mean. Kids are so mean. Dude, I didn't, I had forgotten about it until I like went on vacation with you and, your 12-year-old was like talking about all this stuff that was happening. And I don't miss that. I do not miss that.

Rebecca: 32:17

I so yeah. So anyway, friends as adults, somehow fucking harder. Somehow fucking harder. And there's more tiers. There's a ton more tiers. We were talking too, again, like depending on where you're in life, so this won't apply to Jamie, but moms of other kids. You have this weird kind of deante sort of friendship where like you kind of don't like each other, but your friends are kids. So we're just like, Hey Susan. She's Hey. and she doesn't really come inside your

Jamie: 32:45

are the girls

Rebecca: 32:46

you don't really wanna go inside her. It's okay. And then you say, we should get wine sometime. And she goes, oh yeah.

Jamie: 32:53

Never.

Rebecca: 32:54

one says a time or a date or a place or when they're available.

Jamie: 32:57

but you say it every time.

Rebecca: 33:00

In text message. She's yeah, we should get wine time. Yeah, totally.

Jamie: 33:05

That's also like an introvert tourist thing though. Yeah. We should totally go outside and do things with people. I.

Rebecca: 33:15

I think you know this story. I did go for wine once with one of the moms, and within a one and a half hour period, I learned that her husband pees on her in the shower. And I learned about his crazy ex-wife. I learned that they weren't really married. She just wore like a wedding ring, so it didn't seem like shame. And then she just told me about all his weird fetishes and like

Jamie: 33:37

Close Marina

Rebecca: 33:38

I was just like, oh. Oh, okay. And so then I said joking. I was, if you're trying to get out of this, you know, do you have cute feet? We can just take pictures of your feet and start a website. You know, like, get you some money that way. And she was like, oh, you're so funny. I got a text message the next day being like, Hey girl, LOL had a great time at dinner, about starting that foot site. I was like, Nope, nope,

Jamie: 33:59

No, no.

Rebecca: 34:01

nope,

Jamie: 34:02

You gotta stick with it if you're trying to monetize your friends like you have to.

Rebecca: 34:09

No. She brought too much crazy to the table. But that, so that's what I mean. It's like, I just wanna see you on your front porch and then wave. I don't want to know whatever thing is

Jamie: 34:17

But most of the time you don't want to see anybody on any front

Rebecca: 34:21

I don't wanna see

Jamie: 34:22

and you for sure don't wanna wave.

Rebecca: 34:26

Oh yeah, no, I, you just wanna like, call your kid. You want your kid to be old enough to just dial them from the car and then they come outside. That's that's the perfect age. I think we're about a year away from that. And then you know how to deal with moms anymore. So. Yeah. So mom to your friends or like periphery friends?

Jamie: 34:43

Or like partners of friends that like, you don't necessarily, like you were talking about, Todd,

Rebecca: 34:48

Oh yeah. Ugh, fucking Todd. What shit we saw? Yeah.

Jamie: 34:54

I guess I've actually had like three, three friend breakups too, because I unfortunately had that one that I told you about with, my friend whose boyfriend and baby daddy was like abusive and physically abusive. And, I like, again, ride or die, like I cared so much for her. I even cared for her kids. And this is when I was like young. I was like early twenties and

Rebecca: 35:22

friend.

Jamie: 35:24

yeah. But it was just, I can only do so much until, and it's hard. It was hard for me because I was so young and I didn't have a lot of experience with that sort of thing. I definitely wasn't mature'cause I was still, I was like 21, probably 20, 21. And I just got like way caught up in it to the point where she would leave me with her kids to go out and party and then like her ex would come over. Oh, I'm sorry. No, she wanted me to go with her

Rebecca: 35:54

Oh

Jamie: 35:54

and leave her kids at home alone. And they were like one and five.

Rebecca: 35:59

Jesus.

Jamie: 36:01

and I was like, I'm not gonna do that.

Rebecca: 36:03

No, you can't make me an accomplice

Jamie: 36:05

you like, imagine, fuck. I'm like 20, 21 and I'm like, I'm gonna stay here and take care of the kids. this was before I even really liked kids.

Rebecca: 36:13

Right?

Jamie: 36:14

it was awful. And so yeah, he came by and he was like screaming and pounding on windows and I was like, she's not fucking here. And that was like the moment that like, everything came and like, and I was just like, no, it all peaked. And I was like, we're not like, I can't do this anymore. Like I can't be your friend anymore. But I did tell her, so I think I basically just texted her, maybe left a voicemail and I was like, Nope, like this isn't gonna happen. I can't do this anymore. I truly hope that you get out of a relationship with him and do something about it. And if not, so I did leave and I ended up leaving the kids there, but I knew. I was a server for a long time at different places and like I knew the cops in the city very well. And so I had texted a cop friend and I was like, Hey, can you like sit in front of Amanda's apartment? And like this is the deal and like I just need to leave and I'm done. And they were like, yeah, sure. So it's hard

Rebecca: 37:17

It's so hard too,'cause you're trying to be like the emotional support system, right? But then when it starts

Jamie: 37:21

and no one should live like that. No one should have to go through that. Like no one should, should be continually abused and be abused at all. so that's what sucked is because I still like felt for her and like her kids definitely.'cause it's not their fucking fault at all. but yeah.

Rebecca: 37:42

My friends, my friend, who was, I had to break up with, it wasn't violent like that, but she would just list all the ways that, like her husband was an asshole to her and like didn't help with the kids, and just like how bad he made her and blah, blah, blah, blah. And every time he'd be like, you know, you can start over. You have family. She's like, well, he's rich and his dad's gonna die. I mean, you know, the inheritance. And I'm like, is it worth that? is it worth it? And so I just couldn't listen to the same bullshit over and over again. And finally it was just like, and I just stopped talking to her because it was like, you just want someone to bitch to, you're not gonna do anything about it. You're not gonna be proactive. You're just gonna complain. And, that's what a therapist is for,

Jamie: 38:27

Yeah. I was, I think I was too much of like free therapy for friends when I was that age. Like a lot, like everybody came to me with their shit and of course I was like, yes, I would like to help you. Like sure,

Rebecca: 38:42

Yeah. Just want, but you wanna be a good friend. Like you wanna, you know.

Jamie: 38:45

yeah,

Rebecca: 38:46

But boundaries.

Jamie: 38:47

I'm just a good person. I can't help it. What,

Rebecca: 38:52

I'm a good person.

Jamie: 38:53

first of all, how dare you, first of all, how dare you? yeah. What else we were talking about?

Rebecca: 39:00

oh

Jamie: 39:00

Oh, the hobby friends, like, you know,

Rebecca: 39:03

Oh yeah.

Jamie: 39:04

friends that you like only do a certain thing with. I had one example, the one example I thought of was, and this isn't me, but was like, you know, if you like Frisbee golf with friends on the weekend, and Rebecca's like, what? She was like, nobody Frisbee, golfs,

Rebecca: 39:19

we call it froing. Thank you so much.

Jamie: 39:23

no, no,

Rebecca: 39:25

It's froing.

Jamie: 39:26

no.

Rebecca: 39:28

Look it up

Jamie: 39:29

take that back right now. Wait, is that a seriously a thing that's happening?

Rebecca: 39:33

fro.

Jamie: 39:33

No.

Rebecca: 39:35

Okay.

Jamie: 39:35

Okay. We're this conversation's over. Don't like it, don't like it all. but like friends, are you, are you finding No. Stop it. Stop. Google fooling.

Rebecca: 39:48

Oh, would you look at that? There's a whole fucking

Jamie: 39:50

God. What if I just like muted you right now? It would've been better if I didn't tell her. but like friends, you go to friends, you go to concerts with like people that maybe ha have the same music taste as you and are like concert goers.'cause not everybody is likes to go to shows or,

Rebecca: 40:09

it's also not just a sport, it's a lifestyle.

Jamie: 40:12

mods. Could we, could we get that link Moed please? I don't think it's safe. Nobody clicked that. Nobody clicked that link. Don't click that link. That's so shady. fro.com. I'm not clicking it. I won't.

Rebecca: 40:25

It sounds like a slur and I don't know what slur, but it just sounds like a slur. Do you know what I mean?

Jamie: 40:29

it sounds like some sort of weird kink

Rebecca: 40:32

Oh, oh, oh. He frothed all over her chest. Yeah, no, you're

Jamie: 40:36

that's exactly what I was, anyway. It's porn probably.

Rebecca: 40:41

What about like self de do you have? So there's the other tier. The other tier I was thinking about that I didn't mention is like the self-destructive friends. So like when Rob was going through a divorce, he had this friend who like, he would go to all these CO too. They get go in the pit, they just get shitfaced and just beat each other up. And it was like, it was destructive. It was like a destructive friendship. And they kind of like brought out the worst in each other.

Jamie: 41:08

isn't that us? I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.

Rebecca: 41:13

No, I don't think so.

Jamie: 41:17

sometimes not the worst. I don't think we bring out the worst, but we enable each other a lot.

Rebecca: 41:24

Yeah, that's true. But no, this is just sort of like, like partner in crime, but like actual crime.

Jamie: 41:30

Okay. I mean, not crime, crime, but I actually had a friend like that in high school. I don't even know why we did it. I think we just wanted to let shit out. But she ended up halfway through high school, she ended up going to a public school. so she left our, private school. And it was in the same city though, so when I had, I had a license and so me and my other friend would go visit her and we'd pull up and park and just start walking into her school. Sometimes she would be like walking out'cause we'd be picking her up. So sometimes she'd be walking out and see me and we'd both just start walking faster toward each other. And we'd both start like throwing our book bags down and everything. And taking off jackets and like taking off rings and putting them in pockets. And then we'd get into a little like fisticuffs.'cause it felt good.

Rebecca: 42:20

gonna say it. Like hug tightly, not beat the shit out of each

Jamie: 42:23

no. We didn't beat the shit out of each other. But whatever. We're like, everybody thought we were like, people were like fight, fight, fight. And it's like we were friends, we were really good friends, but like we both kind of just needed that little, I don't know. And we would do that like almost every time we saw each other at the beginning.

Rebecca: 42:44

I have more questions and I'll take off air

Jamie: 42:46

Okay.

Rebecca: 42:47

about that. I just have more questions. That's interesting. And you guys stayed

Jamie: 42:52

We never dated I never dated her. If that was your question.

Rebecca: 42:57

Okay. I still have a couple more.

Jamie: 42:59

Okay. All right. All right.

Rebecca: 43:01

I still have a couple more.

Jamie: 43:01

This dude is about to tee off his discs all over the place. That's good. I'm sad

Rebecca: 43:06

That's what happens when you fro

Jamie: 43:09

stop stoping. It's not okay.

Rebecca: 43:12

one-sided friendships, I think also kind of fall into this. I and I've had them, I've ha I recognize them more as an adult. The one-sided friendships,

Jamie: 43:22

Same.

Rebecca: 43:24

where I will do anything for a friend, not for the kudos. Not because I wanna be the best friend. It's because like I truly love and care about this person. And I know in my heart, there's no fucking way they would do the same for me.

Jamie: 43:37

Yeah.

Rebecca: 43:38

I had a friend who had like a mass, a mass of miscarriages and Mother's Day was always so hard on her. And I knew, I knew just to reach out to her on Mother's Day and I would send her flowers and just be like, just checking in, you know, like validating that.'cause she was always was like, I guess I'm not, and I would just validate that and just stay in touch, gun to her head. She would never, she would never, in a million years, and I know that now, we're obviously not

Jamie: 44:03

but that's, yeah, I mean that's also just like the, honestly, the caliber of friend that you are like, I think that's what I'm saying about just the loyalty, like the tourist loyalty and like the ride or die. Like when we bring people into the fold, we don't do that often. So like when we do, it's serious and like we wanna, you know?

Rebecca: 44:28

And you wanna hope people match you with that too. And I think it's always hard when you realize that they're

Jamie: 44:33

That not everyone's an awesome Taurus, like Jamie.

Rebecca: 44:36

Yeah. But that, you just, you hope someone's gonna match that or you hope. And again, it's not to be like, I'm the bestest friend, or I'm the goodest friend. It's just I love you so sincerely and I value and cherish our friendship.

Jamie: 44:49

Rebecca sends me cheesecake and a vegan salad from Cheesecake Factory. Like anytime I'm having like the worst day ever, like she'll just send me a cheesecake and a vegan salad and it's the best.

Rebecca: 45:01

I have friends who are doing something for me for my birthday. and I wanted to take it to the next level because I appreciated the time and effort they even put into thinking about me for that. I like contacted the venue, was like, I'd like to rent like the private room for this and then surprise them. It was just like something nice because again, like I can afford to do it and I wanna do it. And I am grateful that these people took the time to be my friends and think about me.

Jamie: 45:29

But before the show started, when you told me about this, what did you say after to make sure I knew Rebecca

Rebecca: 45:38

I also don't want to be mingling with the commoners

Jamie: 45:45

right.

Rebecca: 45:46

and the general public.

Jamie: 45:48

Actually, you said, but mostly I just don't want to be mingling with the general public.

Rebecca: 45:56

Yes. But also it's still a nice thing to do for them. And it was nice that they thought of me and it's on

Jamie: 46:04

And then it's nice and it's, and it's also, it's also nice that you thought of you,

Rebecca: 46:09

Listen, still a

Jamie: 46:12

this is my job. Okay. Like, my job, my job is to, to check you, you know?

Rebecca: 46:19

still a Taurus. I would do it for you too. And also, let's be honest,

Jamie: 46:25

I would do something. I would do something for me under the guise that it's for you too.

Rebecca: 46:31

there's not a tourist planning this because if there was that room would've been booked in the first place. Okay. So that's how I know there's no Tauruses, because if it was you planning, you would've booked that room. See? So

Jamie: 46:42

I feel like this is some sort of like bachelorette party and I'm actually your maid of honor, but I can't make it. these other fucking bridesmaids are trying to get their shit together. And you're like

Rebecca: 46:59

tier friends.

Jamie: 47:00

you're like, Jamie, they're doing it all wrong. Were you just drooling? You're like, my God.

Rebecca: 47:08

I did a little spit when I laughed. Also does it feel weird to talk about your other friends with like your best friend? Like it feels

Jamie: 47:16

It

Rebecca: 47:17

admitting I have other friends in front of you, like I'm cheating,

Jamie: 47:19

not even that, but it's just I don't know, but I've also kind of now like I feel like you know, all of my friends now, like all my close friends.

Rebecca: 47:30

I think some of them like me a little bit,

Jamie: 47:32

Yeah, no, they like, no, they like you better than they like me. Which I mean, I'm not surprised, but it does kind of

Rebecca: 47:38

I mean.

Jamie: 47:40

to you, Rob, Robert, Roberto. Anyway,

Rebecca: 47:47

I just wanna make a good impression. They haven't met the real me yet.

Jamie: 47:50

I feel

Rebecca: 47:50

Right now I'm still in good impression phase.

Jamie: 47:53

I don't think you are still a good impression face from what I've heard around the water cooler.

Rebecca: 48:00

I definitely wasn't. When you guys let me play that game with you that one time and then I ruined it for

Jamie: 48:04

Oh yeah. Lunch lady.

Rebecca: 48:07

yeah, sorry.

Jamie: 48:10

Rebecca was high. And I don't even know if I knew you were high or like how high you were, but we're playing the game and

Rebecca: 48:19

cause I was anxious'cause I didn't know

Jamie: 48:20

Oh well that, and we were playing like a horror game and that's also frightening. So we're just playing the game like normal. Rebecca has our first experience face-to-face with the lunch lady and like freaks out a little bit. She's on this map by these like vending machines by the cafeteria and she's oh my God, that was so scary. Or whatever. And then we all laugh about it and move on and we're still doing the thing, playing the game. And then I walk by and I still see Rebecca by the vending machines and she. I think you were still down. So I had to use a med kit and get you up. And I was like, I got you. And I was like, was she? I'm like, is she here? Are you muted? I was like, Rebecca, and you never responded. And the last thing I heard from you was like, oh my God, that was so scary. And that was it. So we all go to the exit to leave and we're all like, where's Rebecca? And I was like, I'm not sure if she's a FK or what? Let's go see she's down again. Somebody gets her up where she's not moving. I'm like messaging her. I think it was even texting you. Nothing. And I remember Marina just being like, we can't leave without her. And so there's just this ongoing joke.'cause for from that time for a while you hadn't played anything with us. And so I always

Rebecca: 49:42

the game either, right?

Jamie: 49:43

Yeah, no we couldn't. Yeah, we couldn't end the game. you didn't break it. But because you left like we couldn't end it. But you, she didn't say anything. She was like, oh that was so scary. And then she literally put her headset down and left her computer and went to watch TV and we had no idea. I'm jealous that you get to game with her, with me. Oh,

Rebecca: 50:05

It's so much fun. Jamie. Playing Party Animals with Jamie is great.

Jamie: 50:10

Oh yeah. Party animals is good. I'm glad we got you into that'cause you're really good at that. No, not you. We're just gonna ignore that and move on. this is what I'm talking. Oh,

Rebecca: 50:20

I am gonna see. This is why my name is Best Ass Rebecca and yours is Intellectual Bully. I think maybe we just need to rebrand

Jamie: 50:27

playing with Jamie is fun. Agreed. See,

Rebecca: 50:30

It is so fun. You're very good at teaching people how to play. Like you're very patient. I got into it because you guys didn't make me feel, see that was the other thing. I knew your friends were good because like when I was playing with you, they didn't make me feel stupid and they were patient like, your friends are legitimately so nice,

Jamie: 50:48

Yeah. They are

Rebecca: 50:49

so,

Jamie: 50:49

sometimes. We play for funsies. Exactly. We play to have fun. We don't like, yeah, of course we love winning and like killing Kneelings and whatnot, but we just, we wanna laugh and make each other laugh. That's like our goal is to just be ridiculous.

Rebecca: 51:08

I am so glad that you started live streaming again though, over at your own channel. We don't have a schedule yet, but you've also started to do it again, which is the other way that I got into games was just by watching you'cause it seemed like fun because,

Jamie: 51:21

that's true. Yeah. I would invite you to do our, that was the cool thing is like I had friends that I gamed with and then I had friends that I didn't really game with but that I loved that would come over to do like, you know, I would play like League for the Stream and then at night we would all get drunk and like play, I don't know, what did we play a lot of? Among us? Or like Cards Against Humanity? Some off-brand Cards Against Humanity probably.

Rebecca: 51:49

I think, I think that's a nice part about being adult friend just is exposure to like different subsets of people who you na you wouldn't naturally come across in the wild, like your game friends. Yeah.

Jamie: 52:01

And there are game friends that are just like hobby friends for some people, like I, I even have some friends that I just probably like, just only game with and that's it. We don't talk or share anything about ourselves, you know, with each other. but like I feel like the group of gaming friends I have now that I like hang out with and game with regularly. Like they're some of my closest friends too. And

Rebecca: 52:25

Yeah.

Jamie: 52:26

some of them I knew from online only. Some of them I met online and I've met in person, some people I have known in person and then we started gaming together. yeah,

Rebecca: 52:37

I do love a friendship formed around hatred of a common enemy. That is my, like one of my favorite friendships. It doesn't even have to be at the work. It doesn't even

Jamie: 52:46

Okay. Okay.

Rebecca: 52:47

if there's a shitty ass guy at the gym.

Jamie: 52:50

Oh yeah.

Rebecca: 52:51

I was like, I don't know guys. I feel like the Black Little Mermaid wasn't as good as like the one where she was white. And then you immediately all hate them and make it your, like no words are said. You just all immediately know that it is now your life's mission to make this man's life as miserable as possible and just shit on him. And that's how you all bond. I think we just spent another hour listing things we like,

Jamie: 53:14

Yeah, I think we did too. But you know what, not every, not every episode can be an episode 10 with Elyssa, you know, or an episode now. I don't know the numbers for waffles.

Rebecca: 53:28

friends. We didn't talk about that. Friends with your siblings. Like Rachel and I are friends after God knows how many fucking years. and like actual friends and no longer the Deante friends we're like, we would snitch to Mom a couple of times. Now it's like everything's in the truth locker and we will never snitch again to either one of our parents.

Jamie: 53:47

Yeah, I have

Rebecca: 53:49

that's a good friends.

Jamie: 53:51

QI don't know, Q's probably gonna kill me. No, she doesn't care. But Q and her brother are like so close and I love them both. They're so fun to game with. but they're super close and I've always been so jealous over that. And like Manic and his sister are like that and they're so close. And I think I always wished that I had that with one of my siblings. I think I still don't have that exactly but. Kay and I are very close. And, I think even within the last, you know, five, 10 years, we became much, much closer than we were, especially within the last probably six years. oh yeah. My best friend. Stop. I'm crying. Yeah. They're like, I don't know, it's just I kind of, it always from the outside at least. It always looks very nice to have. I'm like, oh, I wish I had that with Kay. But

Rebecca: 54:41

I do too. I'm always like when people were like, oh yeah, my sister and my best friend. I'm like, what the fuck do

Jamie: 54:46

What is wrong with you?

Rebecca: 54:47

you enjoy

Jamie: 54:49

grew up with this? don't you wanna break?

Rebecca: 54:52

yeah, I know. I mean like I get it now, but it's just, it was just so funny'cause I would never ever understand why it took us 30 years, but we got there finally.

Jamie: 55:02

Yeah. I'm really glad you did because I think you guys are both like, good for each other to have as friends.

Rebecca: 55:09

And she's good. Like, and especially with a kid too, like having your siblings around for your kids is huge.'cause like they bring out a part of you that your kids don't necessarily get to see. And also it's kind of like they get, you know, the, the fun dirt from the aunt or uncle of like, well when your mom was little to do this.

Jamie: 55:28

Like, like what? Give us, you wanna give us an example or when you were little? I.

Rebecca: 55:36

No, not off the top of my head. I'm sure it was something. Oh no. I do remember when we were little, Rachel and I would take our radio flyer wagon. We would take the cat and we would've put a milk crate over the cat and then Rachel, I would sit on the milk crate and Rachel would pull it around and we would be the, the child, the remember from Chitty Bang Bang, the child snatcher. So we were like selling children as slaves from the child. Like we were being the child's snatcher and the cat was the child. So that was our fun game that we played.

Jamie: 56:12

I hope that somebody knows exactly what you're talking about in Chi Chi. Do bang, bang. Because when you said that to me the first time, I was like, I was like, what are you talking about? That kinda sounds familiar. And then I watched the clip. We should find the clip.

Rebecca: 56:25

Does is please tell me someone here under

Jamie: 56:27

but

Rebecca: 56:28

the child

Jamie: 56:28

I knew exactly once I saw the clip. It just had been a very long time. Um, radio flyer wagons,

Rebecca: 56:35

fucking dreams.

Jamie: 56:37

flyer wagons, and milk crates. All the story needs is a walk to the corner store to get a pack of smokes for the parents. But it's true. for all the babies in chat. A wagon is a small, open, top container with wheels. Listen, this guy had fucking style. He had a little cape, he had lollipops for the children, and uh, the cat would be the thing that we caught That was terrifying, right? Like

Rebecca: 57:04

Yes,

Jamie: 57:04

why wouldn't it? Let me copy this. This is stupid.

Rebecca: 57:07

Those were the fun games we used to play as children.

Jamie: 57:09

I love that.

Rebecca: 57:10

When your mom locked you out and you had a drink from the hose,

Jamie: 57:13

Oh fuck yeah, dude. There was nothing like drinking from the hose then, though. We had,

Rebecca: 57:18

a taste.

Jamie: 57:19

was, that's interesting.'cause this is like another whole thing we didn't think about is I don't know about you, but there were lots of kids in my neighborhood. Neighborhood friends, when you're little there was this one kid that like, yeah, I mean he was very gay. He always wanted to do, he wanted to be like, he wanted to run fashion shows and so like,

Rebecca: 57:43

You guys do fashion

Jamie: 57:44

yeah. So people would get Whatever from their dress up boxes or like their parents' clothes or whatever. And he would orchestrate this whole thing where like literally like we like the, it was always like all girls of course, in the fashion show. but we would go and, we'd walk down the driveway like, I don't know, it was very stupid. And we would go in his house and go in the bathroom and like quickly change into the next outfit and come back and it was this whole thing. We would have all out water balloon fights. and that same kid, by the way was like, all right, we're the dark side and you guys are the, you guys are the light side because the sun shines, or no, you're the dark side and we're the light side.'cause the sun always shines more on our half of the block. So it'd be like that half of the block kids versus this half of the block kids. And it was insane. We had two blocks that we would just run around and that was like our whole area for water balloon

Rebecca: 58:40

I love that. That's so cute. I love it. Hey, should we do, should we play a friend game?

Jamie: 58:47

Oh yeah, we should play a friend game,

Rebecca: 58:49

Should we do party animals?

Jamie: 58:52

party animals Or if chat is interested, we could do cards against humanity, like off-brand. Never have I ever, let's play Spin the Bottle as friends. Oh. That was another friends that we added at the end too, as friends with benefits that we were both

Rebecca: 59:13

this is okay. I'm very, see this is how I know we are friend friends.'cause I called you today, on my way home and you were like, oh, there was another friend group I was thinking of, I can't remember. I said, it's friends with benefits.

Jamie: 59:25

And I was like, I I was like, how the fuck Did you know that, that's exactly what I was thinking about.

Rebecca: 59:31

I was like, I know

Jamie: 59:32

You were like, because I you were like, because I know you and your beautiful brain or something like that. I was like, yeah, I guess.

Rebecca: 59:39

We have friend brain.

Jamie: 59:40

Yeah.

Rebecca: 59:41

Mm. That's the best type of friendship where you can just look at each other and be like this motherfucker without saying a word.

Jamie: 59:47

So party animals. So just me and you playing party animals. Okay. Let us, okay, let's do it. Thanks for talking. Thanks for listening to us. Talk about friends and enemies and the things we like and don't like.

Rebecca: 1:00:03

You know, we could do a whole episode on enemies though,

Jamie: 1:00:06

Yeah, we could

Rebecca: 1:00:08

not opposed to it. And actually

Jamie: 1:00:11

is that a good idea? Maybe

Rebecca: 1:00:13

no, my favorite is like, enemies who don't know they're your enemies, but like they are your enemies.

Jamie: 1:00:20

they are your enemies. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you for showing up.

Rebecca: 1:00:24

Yes.

Jamie: 1:00:26

All right, thank you everybody.

Rebecca: 1:00:28

Woo.

Jamie: 1:00:28

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Rebecca: 1:00:41

We have some exciting special guests that we are getting on the schedule that we can't wait to tell you about.

Jamie: 1:00:46

Yeah. We're gonna have, we posted an actual schedule. We like scheduled our next four shows in advance, which is crazy for us. so yeah. all right, bye everybody.