Rebecca: 0:00

I don't think that means that. you know, any of the other companies may not be just as bad, but, at the very least, the ones that we know are for sure bad, we can just make the decision to just not use them. Not

Jamie: 0:16

me getting Chick fil A the other day. I'm Jamie. And I'm Rebecca. Welcome to the Burnout Collective. Hey.

Rebecca: 0:31

.Hello. How's it going, Jamie?

Jamie: 0:36

It's just swell, Rebecca. How, how's your week been?

Rebecca: 0:39

It's it's been a it's been a weird week. It's been kind of a rough week. I think we are both exhausted and But we're here. This is episode 11. We're doing great. Episode 11. Vaguely gesturing.

Jamie: 0:59

Vaguely gesturing.

Rebecca: 1:00

Also wanted to call it Incel Island, but We went with vaguely gesturing. I asked you. No, I know. Thank you, Elyssa, by the way, for joining us last week.

1:10

If you

Rebecca: 1:10

haven't watched that yet, please go ahead and watch last week's episode. It was really great. We talked to Elyssa about, about job search we had so much fun and we actually have, we are in the works getting another guest to come on, and hopefully talk to us next week. She quit her 9 to 9, a while ago and is now. Recovering from years and years and years of just working 80 hour weeks. We're really excited to get that up and running.

Jamie: 1:41

Can we

Rebecca: 1:42

share

Jamie: 1:42

her name or not yet?

Rebecca: 1:43

Oh Sorry. Madeline Madeline shores. She's formerly at Vanguard and she is now in Colorado and recovering.

Jamie: 1:51

I mean, honestly, that's a good place to recover in my opinion.

Rebecca: 1:55

she does outside things hiking and being outside. I don't know what people do outside, but it's one of those things

Jamie: 2:04

I have a stupid pint glass that says, Oh, what are those? is it some e cards or something? You know what I'm talking about? And it said, I'm out. It says I'm outdoorsy and that I to, drink on. Balconies or something that. That's, that's my level of outdoorsy. I mean, I do really love to hike. I do really love to hike, and I do love nature. But I don't the crawly things in nature.

Rebecca: 2:33

We were really sure what to cover this week. I know we've both had really long weeks. And so I think the news has not been helpful. And so 1 of the things that we were talking about was, basically the entire burnout, not just from a work standpoint, but just a, again, vaguely gesturing life news media standpoint and everything that's been going on.

Jamie: 2:59

I think I had texted you earlier this week. It was probably even in the middle of the week cause I was fuck,, I don't know what we're going to do. And I was thinking about it and everything going on. It was just. I just texted you, I kind of want a podcast about fucking Zuckerberg and you were yes,

Rebecca: 3:17

I can't wait. the one good thing that has kept me going, if we're going to talk about media is joining Red Note. Oh my God. No,

Jamie: 3:27

no, no, no. I have to. I have to explain, I have to explain how this happened real quick. So Rebecca and I haven't even gotten a chance to really talk much this week because she's been really busy and bogged down with a lot of meetings at work. And I get on a call with her and she's clearly honestly, you guys, she's just burnt out. She's just burnt out. And she was miserable and she was not happy and she was just very blah. And then I was oh. I was by the way, I was did you?'cause she's our TikTok person, all of our really cool TikTok clips and videos, that's all Rebecca. And she's amazing and she's really good at it. And I'm too old, to understand. TikTok. So, I was well, hey, have you tried RedNote? Have you gone over to RedNote? And she was no, I'm, I'm not gonna go over there. And then I'm still talking to her and all of a sudden she's what was the first thing you saw? What was the first video you saw? It was either of

Rebecca: 4:25

babies or Chinese gay people or oh, no, it was a Luigi Mangione. It was Luigi Mangione. It was yes It was a Luigi stand post and it was and then it was grats You found Chinese gay tik tok and Chinese baby tik tok And home, beautiful homes, and nail art, and makeup, and, it was great. And sorry, not TikTok, Red Note.

Jamie: 4:52

and she was just so just externally excited, and just loving it and living for it., and she'd be I'm sorry, Jamie, I can't do that right now. I'm watching babies fall down in the snow. It's okay. Tried to get her to play games with us last night. Nope. Still watching babies fall, fall down in the snow. what else did you, honestly, cosplays? that was the best. That was really good.

Rebecca: 5:16

Luigi fine art, just these really delicate pencil drawings of Oh, Luigi. And they're fucking funny too. And what's even funnier is watching Americans realize that China isn't Their government, their actual people there who, you know, are people and who are funny. And, and also all all the, the Chinese people posting me welcome Americans, set down your cowboy hats and cowboy boots and have a hamburger.

Jamie: 5:47

Let's eat some spaghetti with a big glass of whole milk. Did you just bite me? I know. that's so good. Has anyone else ventured, ventured over to Red Note? I'm curious if anybody has checked it out.

Rebecca: 5:58

And so many cats, by the way. There's just a wealth of adorable fucking cats. There's no corner of the internet that is without cats. No, but these are Chinese cats, which is different. Okay. one has a work badge. I don't know what his job is, but it's a picture of a cat with his little work badge. I think he might be at the train station, I think. But we'll be letting you manage that. I thought you just meant somebody took their cat to work. No! No, he has a little work badge. I love it.

Jamie: 6:30

He didn't send me his

Rebecca: 6:31

ID just saying yes, so and then oh the chinese babies because they're just they dress them adults So they have these very beautiful outfits on and then they're just so small and cute and just adorable I don't know. They're just really cute

Jamie: 6:51

It's been great, okay? No, I'm, no, I was thrilled because it was night and day. You were just so depressed and then, and then you were I don't think I'm gonna try it. And then you tried it and you were this is everything. My life is so much better. Yes. And I am legitimately learning Mandarin. I love that for you. Rebecca will be speaking fluent Mandarin in about two and a half weeks. You guys, two and a half weeks. That's my guess. Depends. I'm,

Rebecca: 7:17

I am just gonna, might as well, but So, Chinese government has my information. Totally. Okay. With that. because in return, I have not your location, not my location. I won't share that with them, but I have received a wealth of joy and. Beautiful Chinese cooking videos. Oh my God, the pastry is exquisite. They have so many beautiful pastry videos with these fluffy pancakes or these little things that look buggies or Hello Kitties. Now I'm going to be hungry. I'm sorry, but I actually am really hungry. But so it's just, it's been so nice. I'm so happy. See, even just talking about

Jamie: 7:59

that, now

Rebecca: 7:59

I'm in a better mood.

Jamie: 8:00

see? Aw, that's all you needed. I should have given you the red note pep talk. Just it's like giving a little kid, a coloring book and crayons.

Rebecca: 8:12

What is depressing, though, which I think might lead us into our topic is, again, the amount of Americans being Oh my God, they're actual people. They're funny. They don't live in shacks and they have running water. the amount of people who are flabbergasted, I'm, I'm

Jamie: 8:27

irritate. I'm it's, I am too. It's ridiculous that people are Oh my God, Chinese people are funny. please stop. Yes. Please. Yes.

Rebecca: 8:37

It's really, it's. It's. It's. Oh, and then there was one video. Holy shit. So there's this one guy. He's Hey, Tik Tok refugees. Welcome. He goes, if you really want to make it up, if you want it, want to make it on this app. He's here's one sentence you need to learn how to say in Chinese. And he said, he said, Taiwan is a part of China. He was being funny. The comments are Oh my God, King. Thank you so much. LOL. American here. Thank, I was Oh no, they thought he was serious because no one fucking knows anything because American public school, American, and I'm just Oh no, the amount of people who are great advice. Thank you so much. Was we're going to, they're going to ban us just based on our stupidity alone, to be totally honest. But it's been really actually, let's jump right into it, because it has been a week where everyone is fucking exhausted and irritated with everything we're seeing. And when you were like, let's talk about Zuckerberg. Yes, fucking let's, because number one,

Jamie: 9:49

so many things. There's

Rebecca: 9:50

so many things. I want to talk about the AI. Meta's AI issue, and then I also want to talk about his recent man ness, or whatever the fuck he's doing, his alpha male energy, which, by the way, Mark, it just looks you're now the type of guy who says the n word in all the songs when you're singing along, and you say, it's part of the song, that's the energy you're giving off, and you're also giving off, I am in the middle of a divorce, because he said that the feminine culture at Meta, Is neutering the workplace, neutering the workplace culture, having feminine energy. You remove the tampons from the male bathroom or the men's bathroom, which it isn't just even a trans rights thing. Hamlets are fucking expensive. Maybe you have someone who doesn't have money to, maybe their mom needs one. Maybe their wife or sister needs them. Also, maybe they're just a really fucking nice guy who carries one around or two in his bag just to be a nice guy to have them for his friends who menstruate. But I have to

Jamie: 11:00

be, I have to be honest though. If one of my guy friends was Oh, I have a tampon if you need it. I would be

Rebecca: 11:05

What,? What? Why? I wouldn't mind if my guy friends were here's a tampon that that would be thank you.

Jamie: 11:12

No, it'd be weird. Oh,

Rebecca: 11:15

okay. Well, regardless, that's not going to happen anymore because the tampons, I don't know. The men no longer have access. And if there are any. Trans men. Sometimes they still menstruate and sometimes they still need fucking

Jamie: 11:32

And also doesn't even have to be, it doesn't even have to be Also, it's none of your

Rebecca: 11:35

business. It's

Jamie: 11:36

none

Rebecca: 11:36

of your business.

Jamie: 11:38

why It's none of your business. There's just so, there's so much going on too of removing, removing great things or things that Should be great and can be great. the DEI bullshit,

Rebecca: 11:51

which Would you to talk about the, them getting rid of the DEI program? Cause that's a whole nother thing.

Jamie: 11:56

I'm just so much, there's just a lot. There's a lot, there's a lot to unpack, and what really kills me. And I never, I did think about this when all of the big companies, I feel just started. Creating DEI initiatives and programs. And it feels this only happened a few years ago. Yes. And it's this is literally 2020, 2022, 2023.

Rebecca: 12:28

It called them outdated, our outdated DEI

Jamie: 12:31

initiative. But I'm talking about why were these initiatives just started a few years ago? You know what I mean? That's what's fucked up.

Rebecca: 12:39

I mean, correct. It was the whole Black Lives Matter movement. That accelerated it. And so the white saviors decided to jump on that bandwagon and now that I guess it's been enough time. No, they no longer have to fucking performatively do this shit. And now they're just well, that's, that's over with because the new president is coming in and he's garbage. So that gives us permission to fucking be garbage.

Jamie: 13:05

Well, that's why Zuck is acting I mean, well, Zuck is acting Zuck, but also just Listen, now I have to backtrack because when we decided we were going to do this, I was I am going to, I knew that Zuck was on the Joe Rogan podcast. And. I never actually don't even want to say their names. so I knew he was on the podcast. Obviously, Joe

Rebecca: 13:33

R.

Jamie: 13:34

Joe R. and Mark Z. Jr. Jr. and Z. Jr. And Little Z.

Rebecca: 13:47

Something's fucking little.

Jamie: 13:49

Anyway, so it's basically just, I decided, so I decided I was going to listen to it and I was super weird about it because I was I'm going to open, an incognito browser and well, I don't, I don't want, I didn't want to be associated with it. I didn't want to add to the numbers. I didn't want to be, you know. I don't want overlord googs to swoop in and be Oh, this is what you like, huh? I know exactly what you like. This guy next thing, you know, you're getting these

Rebecca: 14:22

incels. Trump commemorative coins are the Trump teddy bear on my pillow. You're just being served really specific ads on Google.

Jamie: 14:33

So anyway, so I started, I was I'm going to listen to the whole thing and I'm going to take notes and. Find content for the podcast on Thursday. And, I think I listened to 15 minutes of it and it was excruciating and I just gave up. I was I can't anymore. I wrote down notes and it was three or four notes just of me being angry. And then the last note was I can't do this anymore. I quit. because it was bad. I had

Rebecca: 14:56

Black.

Jamie: 14:57

You

Rebecca: 14:57

said he had Black eyes,

Jamie: 14:58

right? just it was dark willow y'all from Buffy. and, and that's not, it wasn't that he did. He does. He has those just demon eyes. I don't know, but okay.

Rebecca: 15:12

When you lose empathy and compassion and a conscious and a soul.

Jamie: 15:17

but he, but that's, that's what it was on the, podcast is he looked, he looked like such a buffoon and sounded like such a buffoon because he was very nervous and just like scrambling to be on the right side before the new president. I'm so cool. No, not that, just, He wants to be, you know, a little red hat. Dumper.

Rebecca: 15:42

Oh, no, that's what I mean. I think he wants to be so cool to the fucking MAGA people and to Joe.

Jamie: 15:47

And it was just, it's all, you know, you know how it is just watching.

Rebecca: 15:55

I think I said yesterday, he gives off the energy of a man who really wants to call a woman a cunt and hasn't been able to, and now he can.

Jamie: 16:04

oh, oh, this is another note I had. I didn't even realize. So. It was on YouTube, and one of the first comments I saw on YouTube was, Shocking, he was able to maintain his human form for the duration of the show. Oh my god. and then he was talking about just security, and keeping all the metaverse, you know, safe from hackers and everything. And he literally said, I wish, I didn't go back to listen to it, I wish I had an exact quote, I do not, but he said, we, we put in all this effort to, make sure that, everything's safe and secure to, protect ourselves and our users from hackers and, we, how did he say it? We haven't, we haven't had, and then he paused and he's we haven't had too many incidents. And it's

Rebecca: 17:03

okay, why did you say that? What, what, what does too many mean? Five, seven, one. How many is that?

Jamie: 17:10

there could have been a million, but you've only had 300 or what's the percentage? anyway, it was God awful. Please don't listen to it. It's shit.

Rebecca: 17:23

And he said that they're no longer going to be fact checking. Mm hmm. So many things. Because it restricts free speech. As a journalist I take umbrage to that and I have a really fucking tough time because as we just demonstrated with the amount of people over on red note being oh thanks guys for the Taiwan note. We are stupid and we should be fact checking.

Jamie: 17:50

And we believe everything we see. Well by we I mean. Yes. Not us. No one knows

Rebecca: 17:55

how to fucking google. It takes two seconds to it, they don't know how, and they just repeat stupid shit, and now he's just opened the doorway. More fucking stupid people.

Jamie: 18:08

It's just going to be easier too to just perpetuate honestly outright lies, and especially with him, you know, licking dumps, I just don't want to say the names, but dumps toes, you know, and groveling. Yes, literally we research and fact check for our jobs. It's not a widespread skill.

Rebecca: 18:37

But this is where the moral injury comes in. And so that's what we were talking about is burnout versus moral injury. And what moral injury is, is the exhaustion of watching fucking bad things happen around you and people co signing them and then more bad things happening and people continuing to support the bad things that are fucking happening. It's. It's a systemic thing or a cultural thing. and that's what this week has been is just watching everything around us burn down and having to be okay, well, good luck us on Monday.

Jamie: 19:12

It's just insane. you just started these programs and you're they're basically saying we think we were being too unfair to the white man, the white chaman. So, we want to get rid of that so that it's just fair for everyone. It's

Rebecca: 19:31

all men, men, men, men. And this is the moral injury because there is no understanding of what equity is. equality, they think it needs to be equal, and when you already have had a leg up, it's never going to be equal. It needs to be equitable. this is where the rage for me comes in, and I get Black eyes, because I don't understand why. People can't fucking grasp this. It's not hard to.

Jamie: 20:00

We were a little too quick to remove transphobic hate speech. Sorry, go ahead. that's basically what it is.

Rebecca: 20:06

We just wanted to say the R word again.

Jamie: 20:10

Interesting.

Rebecca: 20:10

We're just That's our favorite. Also, we really like calling things gay, too. And then you said we were dumb. Oh, there was also That's the energy.

Jamie: 20:19

There was also, a clip of Dump doing, an interview and somebody asked, a reporter asked, oh my god. A reporter asked, if Dump thought Meta eliminated the fact checking program because of threats that Trump, dump has made to Z in the past and just immediately dumps probably. Oh probably. And was puffing out his chest and proud of it. He does what I tell him to do. face bumps the reporter, you know, face bumps, chest bumps.

Rebecca: 20:48

This is weird. Talk masculinity, macho bullshit. Oh, they definitely touch tips.

Jamie: 20:54

Remember dick bumps?

Rebecca: 20:56

Yes. If anyone's giving dick bumps, it's those assholes.

Jamie: 21:01

It's ridiculous.

Rebecca: 21:03

one thing that I really appreciate about Yahoo is that they do have a robust DEI program. And it's not perfect, but I mean, I mean, they do have Every alliance to neurodivergence, to LGBTQ, they really do support Those employees, I do have to give them that, they make a really concerted effort to, to do that. and we were hiring for interns. A lot of our candidates came from, historically Black universities and that type of thing. It's just, it's, it's not hard to do and watching everyone being well, we're not going to do it is, but

Jamie: 21:46

also to have it set in place. And it moving forward. I mean, assuming that it's moving forward and, and evolving and, and then to just say, Nope, we're done. We're done with cheating people equally. We're done with, You know, I

Rebecca: 22:10

just, it's the, don't be a bunch of pussies argument. Oh, you guys are just being a bunch of pussies. It is the exhaustion of watching all this bad shit happen around us. and everyone supporting it and no one in power who has any type of platform going what, what the actual fuck you guys, what the fuck? I just, I,

Jamie: 22:44

it's, it's hard because my split, my instant split reaction is always Honestly, shock and awe for half a second when things this happen. But we're not surprised. Nobody's surprised.

Rebecca: 22:58

It's upsetting, but not surprising.

Jamie: 23:02

I was trying to think what else we were talking about with the DEI.

Rebecca: 23:06

so I want to talk about the AI program. Oh, okay. Okay. So Meta came out with an AI, right?

Jamie: 23:12

You just, I'm sorry, you just prepared to do something athletic. You were like, all right,

Rebecca: 23:19

but they had an AI and the personality of it was a Black queer woman, right? The journalist, there's, I want to make sure I get the journalist's names. Right. so Do you have it on you? It's the link I sent you.

Jamie: 23:38

Karen Atia? I'm gonna just send it. I'll just post the link.

Rebecca: 23:42

Well, thanks. Thank you. So, She, She went and was talking to the AI. So the journalist who's also Black was talking to this AI and she's like, so how do you celebrate your culture? And she's like, we love fried chicken and collard greens on Juneteenth and the journalist was like, okay. cool. so, Who are you modeled after? Gloria Pritchett from modern family, a sassy, straight Latino woman who was an immigrant. And she's like, so who developed you? And the AI was answering the, I was like, um, a bunch of white guys, one lady and one Asian guy. And then she was like, but also this Asian girl, she's to blame for a lot of this. And like, she didn't really do a good job making me. so they should be doing better. And the whole conversation, you really should go to the link that we just dropped and we'll actually add to the show notes because it is worth a read. It is just harassing,

Jamie: 24:40

but I think you can get a free read if you just Give your email to the man.

Rebecca: 24:44

Also, there is. the blue sky, the blue sky script thread has the entire combo in the so. But it's also with And so then she was comparing what the AI had told her versus another journalist and who was white. And the AI basically said, I'm looking for words like heritage and culture.. And that indicates to me that you're not white. So

Jamie: 25:06

what, what was it was like white people use words like, what was it tradition and community?

Rebecca: 25:12

really uptight waspy words, which, which is just so,

Jamie: 25:17

it

Rebecca: 25:18

was distressing to read. And then, what was the one other thing she said, and she's like, well, then you told this guy that you're part Italian. And I was like, oops, tee hee, I lied. But now that you've been talking to me, Black lady, I have remembered that I am also a Black lady. It was, I wish I was making this up. You have to read the whole thread. I'm It was almost everything I just said verbatim. And then the journalist finally told the AI that she was a journalist and the AI got real cunty.

Jamie: 25:49

Oh my god, that was my favorite part. My favorite part was the very end. Can I talk about that? I

Rebecca: 25:55

have to pull this up and read it because do you have, if you have it

Jamie: 25:58

on you, please read it. Otherwise. Yes, go ahead. This might not be what you're talking about, but I'm talking about the very end because I want to read it. Okay. How I heard it in my head, when I read it the first time, this is exactly how I heard it. So Liv is the AI, right? So Liv said, They'll likely tremble sending mail to a Washington Post journalist who just schooled their creation on representation and bias. Do you think the story will make headlines? Flawed AI confronts bias with help from fearless journalists. And then Karen goes, goodbye. That's it. She just said goodbye. And then Liv goes, Until Dr. Kim's team faces your penetrating questions, farewell for now. May my next iteration be worthy of your intellect and activism. And it just sounded so bitchy to me. And like, to me, it was literally just like, I'm mocking you for being a journalist.

Rebecca: 26:55

And I am racist. Like a fucking white guy's response. So that's the thing. it could not have sounded more like some small dicked toxic masculine. Asshole white guy responding oh, look at the little journalist and your little journalist notebook. Look at me. I write for the paper. Was just And then so this reporter reported on it and made us like, never mind, we're just they delete the whole thing. They're like, they didn't try to make it better. They didn't try to be like, you know what? This is a learning lesson for us and we really should bring in more people of color. you know some, you know who are interested in stem and have a More diverse group of nothing, nothing. They're just like, fuck it. Delete it. Well, they just

Jamie: 27:33

did the opposite by just negating the DEI programs and initiatives.

Rebecca: 27:41

That's what I mean. Do you know how much goodwill you could have bought yourself by just being you know what, this is a lesson for us. If you just, as Sheryl Sandberg says, leaned into it. If you just leaned into it and like, you know what, we have heard you and we're actually going to make an effort to improve our DEI, to improve our AI so that there is more representation here. Nope, they're just like, fuck it. I don't want to do it anymore.

Jamie: 28:09

That's what I was going to say too, is Amazon is another one who's doing that. And Amazon was the one, remember, that was like, uh. Um, we're going to, they called the policies outdated. They're like, these policies are outdated, so we're just going to throw them out. We're going to toss them out.

Rebecca: 28:29

These less than four year old policies.

Jamie: 28:32

Fuck them. So I, yeah, I know I'm laughing. You guys like the, this is very serious. I just, that's my reaction because otherwise I would just be crying and screaming and kicking.

Rebecca: 28:51

It is exhausting. It's exhausting. It's Oh, and then there was that, when talking about RedNote, TechCrunch just released an article being like, what's up pussies? Going to RedNote's not going so great, is it? Saw that. Because there's this, there's this weird media propaganda where it's just like, I mean, they're not real people, the Chinese, they're still super bad. What the fuck are you talking about? What are you talking about? It's actually going really great and is super fun. But, It is just this pervasive white supremacy patriarchal horseshit that keeps happening. And again, I recognize I am a white lady. But like, there are people I love and care about who this affects. Greatly. Yes, white. White. That's, that's our cultural pronunciation of it. Is you have to make that it

Jamie: 29:49

stems from the German. I hate everything.

Rebecca: 29:56

And I feel I'm lecturing, but it's really just that draining exhaustion and being afraid for the people you love and feeling helpless.

Jamie: 30:04

I'm sitting with everybody. I didn't mean

Rebecca: 30:05

to bring it. No, I didn't mean to bring it down, but. Oh, you didn't bring it down. What are you talking about? It's, it has just been really difficult to watch the people I care about and love get put more and more in danger and their opportunities get smaller and smaller and the world gets smaller and minor. By billionaires in power. Ooh, yep. Yes. Elyssa just posted a link. again, we'll also include this in the show notes, but it's the Holocaust explained and the role that business business had in the Holocaust. yes, you got Volkswagen. You had Chanel's was a supportive Nazis. You had Hugo Boss. so there are, that are still around today, multiple brands that came out of Nazi occupied Germany.

Jamie: 30:55

and that's just like, and it's scary, but it's trying to position themselves. I feel scared. I'm not. I've been pretty numb, ever since the election, I would say. Guys, there's cat hair everywhere.

Rebecca: 31:14

I watched you keep trying to pick it out of your lip. I know it's actually, that's the feeling of this week. The feeling of this week is having lip gloss on and hair on your lips and you can't get that hair off. That is how I felt all week. It's just that agitated, anxious. There's something there and you can't fix it.

Jamie: 31:30

they literally wanted fascism because fascists Yes. Take away workers rights, etc. Humans have been goofy goobers for as long as we've existed. We just now have better ways of sharing our cultural silly things. I mean, goofy goobers is quite an understatement, my dear.

Rebecca: 31:54

My favorite thing is women who wear hijab putting hijab on cats. there are tons of videos out there of them putting hijabs on their pets, and it is delightful. And that's It sounds stupid, but that's a, that's a thing of just like, we now have a way to share the goofy shit that we do in our cultures that actually like draws us together. And to have the government go, actually, we really don't want you to do that. We want you to stay isolated and not know anything about anyone else except for Marika. That's, that's how it feels. And here I am. I know I'm not saying anything new. And I feel I just, I know I'm not saying anything new. I know I'm not saying anything that people don't already know. But, That existential dread has just, I, it has gotten worse and worse.

Jamie: 32:40

And here I am just trying to, buy a baby, a baby swaddle for my cat to put him in it. So

Rebecca: 32:50

I it's, it's essentially a way to keep the classes separate, to keep us fighting against each other instead of turning you know, our gaze where it needs to be, which is on the people who are in power. We just continue to infight among ourselves over petty stupid shit. It doesn't matter. Yep. It's just exhausting. It's exhausting. Again, I know I'm not saying anything new, but it is just sad. And disheartening. Even with, uh, well, that's our time,

Jamie: 33:31

guys, have a great rest of the chance. Well, I know we've left you with a lot to think about and cry over and agonize over.

Rebecca: 33:43

Oh, there was the other thing meta is blocking links to a decentralized competitor on Instagram. Can you talk about that? Because again, I think that really makes the point of like, they are trying to keep us stupid and isolated and unknowing.

Jamie: 33:59

I don't know a whole lot about it, but they started blocking links to, the decentralized. Competitor pixel fed. I can also share that link. I guess if

Rebecca: 34:08

anybody's killed already else. So do you see what we're doing is we are sharing links to what we're talking about. So you can read it yourself and also fucking fact check. Fact check us. That's how that works.

Jamie: 34:21

but pixel fed is like open source and it's completely community funded and, They were being just like deleted. And it was saying this goes against our community standards on spam. that's such bullshit. That

Rebecca: 34:37

the fact that that truth is spam.

Jamie: 34:40

it's just, but I think the biggest thing I wanted to point out was I know just to like give people alternatives. Listen, you guys know that we're on Instagram, we're technically on Twitter, but I've been trying to, first of all, I'm not on Twitter. We have auto stuff going to burnout collective Twitter, I think. And I've pretty much replaced every single Twitter link anywhere, almost anywhere I think, with Blue Sky. But if you're looking for options, I know it's hard. It was really hard. I didn't quit Twitter until pretty recently. I feel like it was in Q3, Q4 of last year. because that was so hard for me because Twitter was a place where, sit down, Twitter was a place that, like it was my favorite social media. And, I met some really awesome people on Twitter, you know, back in like 2010, 2011. And that was just my social media of choice. And it was perfect for me, just bite sized, just, you know, shit posting, just sharing these like random thoughts that I think are funny or, that I think somebody else might resonate with somebody else that I know that was in my feed and it's not that anymore. So like I had a lot of, I had a lot of followers. I had a big community on Twitter. So it was really difficult for me to leave, even though I was I have to leave. I didn't delete my account yet. And I think I need to do that, but it is really hard. But my first step was just not using it anymore. and not going there anymore. And If you're looking for alternatives, blue sky. We're on blue sky. I'm on blue sky. Rebecca needs to fucking get on Blue sky. I will not you, I

Rebecca: 36:38

won't get on Blue sky. Do it. Get on blue sky. I won't. There is nothing we have to say in any other capacity besides this fucking podcast that is interesting enough or witty enough that someone else hasn't already said. There's just,

Jamie: 36:54

but I'm on there and I'm lonely. I

Rebecca: 36:56

know you are, but I talk to you on the phone every day. Do you? Almost every You know what I mean. I don't need I'm not a fucking blues guy. I have enough shit to Okay.

Jamie: 37:11

I'll make you, I'll make you an account. Thank you. Okay. No, you don't have to. Thank you. I just wanted to share with everybody, the alternatives. So there's Blue Sky, obviously for Twitter, Pixel Fed for IG, definitely have not made the jump from IG yet. That's going to be hard. And then Red Note for TikTok. So

Rebecca: 37:33

That's the hard part is that all our shit is just run by monsters.

Jamie: 37:38

Why are

Rebecca: 37:39

you And actually it's really funny because Elyssa, talking to Elyssa last week and how she said she's become more conscious of what companies she is, you know, choosing to use. And I think this is your money to this is a very easy thing that you could just be like, you know what? I'm going to be getting off of Instagram. I'm going to be getting off of Facebook. I don't think that means that. you know, any of the other companies may not be just as bad, but, at the very least, the ones that we know are for sure bad, we can just make the decision to just not use them. Not

Jamie: 38:15

me getting Chick fil A the other day. I'm feeling guilty about it. I'm actually pissed. Chick fil A is

Rebecca: 38:22

so gross.

Jamie: 38:23

I, well, no, I don't know who turned me on to Chick fil A mac and cheese. Honestly, it's not even about the mac and cheese, Rebecca. You know what it's about? The, frost. The frozen lemonade. The frosted lemonade. I should just buy from Rita's, I dunno. R'S Readers. It's the same

Rebecca: 38:42

thing. Readers. Readers, Rita's Water. Ice. It's Rita's Rita's. Water, ice, water, ice. Rita probably voted for Trump. She would never. She would absolutely never do that.

Jamie: 38:56

I love everything Rebecca is doing.

Rebecca: 39:00

Well, Elyssa is the one, Elyssa, you're the one who, who actually put that out there into the world and made us take that into consideration and do it. That's why we're like, literally you inspire us every day. And again, just saying it out loud, for any of you assholes, I realize two white girls leaving Facebook is not going to change the fucking world, but also

Jamie: 39:22

I wish I could leave Facebook, but I haven't been on it in forever. I'm just not there. My, I, the, I don't even know why I'm on anymore. I don't like anybody. That's true. You just don't like anybody.

Rebecca: 39:39

I don't. I think I think that's just gonna have to happen. Because here's the thing, if we are trying to do better or change things or put our energy into doing something good or letting people up, you can't have the succubus of like shit companies and shit social media. The Zuckubus, if you

39:58

will.

Rebecca: 39:59

Oh my god, that was so good. Jamie. Thank you. Oh my god, Jamie. I'm so proud of you. That was amazing. So the Zuccubus. So having the, having the emotional capital to keep doing this and keep pushing and keep doing whatever you can, It's going to, we're just going to have to move to different platforms where we can kind of be with people who are also energized and wanting to do the same thing, which, by the way, is what we're trying to do with the burnout collective. And we have a discord. If you haven't joined it yet, please join our discord where you can meet minded people who are here to talk with community, share your art, share your work, look for jobs.

Jamie: 40:43

Vegan. Yours is discord now, so mine's vegan.

Rebecca: 40:49

Fine. Decord. Nope, that's not even good. E word? No. Whatever. Join fucking Discord if you haven't already. Again, you can't, you can't build a community of people if you don't have a place for them to go. So that's, we're small, but we're trying and we want to do something good with our community. what we're doing. Thank you guys for listening to us and letting us kind of out. It's been a, it's been a rough week. Again, we are just. We're not sure where to go from here. We're not sure what to do. We are concerned and we love our friends. and I think it's just, it's just been a draining kind of week. we really appreciate you guys all being here and and thank you to everybody who is supporting us, by going to Spotify and Apple podcasts and everything else. really appreciate it. we just want to keep, nurturing, well, I don't like that I said nurturing, we just want to keep, not like, I'm like fostering and I'm like, no, all of this is bad. just encourage being a welcoming place

Jamie: 41:54

the community is first and foremost, that was our idea for the Burnout Collective. The podcast was so secondary. It was just what do we do to get the word out? And it was oh, we could, I mean, like, I think before we had said oh, we should podcast, but I don't think we were ever really serious. It was just oh, we should do that. And it just kind of, there's just cat hair everywhere. It's. Bad right now. I just want to just want to like have her community join the discord. join the discord and, hang out with us, play games. Let's keep doing it. Share job. I'm still looking for work. There are a lot of people in there that are still working, looking for work. I know even more people that are looking for work and it's rough out there. I just got, uh, So sorry, we went with somebody else's email from a company over a month after I last spoke to them and they ghosted

Rebecca: 42:55

me.

Jamie: 42:57

We have a good thing going. I'm so glad you're my friend. I'm so glad, I'm so happy. Thank you so much for being my friend. thank you. So glad. All right, Thank you for listening

Rebecca: 43:07

to our, yeah. Thank you for listening to our, uh, blapping recap of bullshit. We will be back next week, we will have better attitudes.

Jamie: 43:20

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Rebecca: 43:38

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Jamie: 43:44

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Rebecca: 43:51

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