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Savory gelatin and why we all need a nap
This episode is all about surviving the holidays, savory gelatin dishes (that all seem to trace back to Mormons and The Midwest), and why we all just need a nap. We discuss how much pressure has been put on women for generations to Make the Holidays Happen. We also share personal stories about family dynamics during holiday get togethers and the importance of setting boundaries to protect our mental health (like just saying no to invites). Plus, we get to mock Jamie's vegan Thanksgiving feast and we find out just how much Rebecca likes soup.
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The Burnout Collective Podcast is hosted by Jamie Young and Rebecca McCracken. We’ve had every ounce of inspiration sucked out by years of startups and hustle culture, and we’re trying to reclaim our creativity. Join us and our guests as we explore how to restart and reenergize our brains. Every Thursday at 5pm PT, we stream live on twitch.tv/TheBurnoutCollective.
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Speaker 2:Christmas Olive Garden. Oh my, oh my God. Christmas fettuccine, Alfredo and breadsticks and salad and minestrone stew.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, you get your. Everyone get their own individual bowl of salad and just a pile of breadsticks.
Speaker 2:I'm Jamie and I'm Rebecca. Welcome to the Burnout.
Speaker 1:Collective Hi, hey, hello, happy post-Thanksgiving. Oh yep, we did it, we survived another holiday, I mean truly not a holiday, but no another event. Did you enjoy your beige food? I mean truly not a holiday. No, Another event Did you enjoy? Your beige food, oh I totally did.
Speaker 2:I feel like you know. Just a little pop of like cranberry amongst all the brown, a little pop of some green beans, some fresh green beans. We had our vegan feast. I got to feed my niece cranberries for the first time. I also got to feed my nephew cranberries for the first time for his thanksgiving first thanksgiving it's my favorite because it's like so tart. They're like what I get the showers. What is? What is this? I think she was like she like took a bite and then she was like just let it fall out, unsure about it, just let her get that little bit of a sugar kick and she'll be into it.
Speaker 1:That's so cute. I was just the three of us and we had our obligatory beige food and then I took a nap on the couch. My mom used to say that my dad's mom I think it was like in the middle of cooking Thanksgiving, christmas dinner would just kind of peace out and go lay down, and then my mom would have to finish. And now I 100% understand why and support that.
Speaker 2:It's nuts, honestly. I was even talking with my family on Thanksgiving about like having like how nice it would be to have someone like come clean up after you have like a party or a gathering at your house, right, and her family is Brazilian and I think that's like part of their culture, is they like they always have people that like clean up after their parties, and my sibling was like, well, that's not the norm here. You know like most people don't have people to clean up after them. My sister-in-law goes rich people do. But yeah, it's just that and I think, just like with you know one person in the family or certain people, women in the family that it's just like you get to sit on the couch and watch football and I'm going to sweat like crazy at the stove and make a whole meal and then also just be like a great host and constantly like not even enjoying your meal.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean I don't know the sweating is so real because you're so pissed. Mean, like I don't know the sweating. The sweating is so real because you're so pissed off and irritated and hot by the edge don't want to fucking eat because you're just so uncomfortable and sweaty and you're just like I'm not even hungry. I'm tired of looking at this food. I don't want it anymore yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 1:It's too much. It's too much. I do have to say rob does do the dish, does do the dishes, so like huge thanks to him. But that's also because I stand up and go. I'm going to go sit down on the couch and then I fall asleep for four hours no, that's great, like I mean.
Speaker 2:It just shouldn't be. You know a thing, unless, unless you're like, don't fucking come in the kitchen. Like I know what I'm doing and it's going to be great, I don't want to deal with you, don't? No one's allowed in this space.
Speaker 1:I don't like it because it makes I'm just like get out, are you done? Are you done? What are you going in the fridge for? You don't need to go out to get out of the kitchen and everyone just gets kicked out and like no one may enter until I'm done. Get out of the kitchen and everyone just gets kicked out and like no one may enter until I'm done.
Speaker 2:I just always wondered why it never seemed like my mom and grandma were having a good time during the holidays I do think that, like my mom is the type of person who, like, if I asked her, she would say no. Like I love doing all of that because, like I love taking care of everybody and making sure everybody else is happy. But it's like you get burnt out on. Like now, oh yeah. Like she, yeah, she'll even say like, oh, I hardly cook now because, like she, like literally she was a stay-at-home mom, like that was her job. She literally like cooked and cleaned up after three children and another adult, like the majority of the majority of her life maybe not, but the majority of my life for sure. In home videos, like we always laugh oh yeah, there's home videos that, like my dad's taking of us kids. And then it's like, oh, like, where's mom, you know? And she's like hi, she's like in the kitchen washing dishes and I'm like this is not okay, I've started to just like outsource now.
Speaker 1:I mean sides. We can get sides. We use imperfect foods and we got a bunch of like veggie sides there. We got the pumpkin pie there, nice, it's not cheating, it's still fresh. I know that pie there, nice, I just it's not cheating, it's still fresh. No, that's what we did.
Speaker 2:We made a frozen vegan roast Very delicious, though and then got a bunch of sides from a vegan restaurant that were actually all amazing. And then I bought us a store-bought vegan pumpkin pie and some crescent rolls to make, and that was dinner lunch yep.
Speaker 1:So oh yeah, and then when you have like little kids, you have to eat like at a certain time, because otherwise everyone has fucking meltdown because they're hangry off schedule is there anything about like typical thanksgiving food that you like? No, oh, it's so brown and gray, not like mashed potatoes, though that's concerning it is just there are too many foods that are both hot. It's the hot and wet rule. Rebecca also hates soup, by the way.
Speaker 2:It is food flavored water it's hot, wet vegetables is how you said it to me vegetables although if the Olive Garden decided that they were going to start doing Thanksgiving catering, oh yeah, Dude, get Olive Garden for Thanksgiving. I bet they're not open on Thanksgiving, but I bet you can pick it up the night before and put it in the fridge.
Speaker 1:Oh, they're closed, but we could pick up our stuff the day before. Yeah, we could do Christmas. Olive garden.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, christmas fettuccine, alfredo and breadsticks and salad and minestrone.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, everyone get their own individual bowl of salad and just a pile of breadsticks. Yeah, you can come here for Christmas.
Speaker 2:Yes, I just wish that more people would just pick up from somewhere for their holiday meals so that they could actually Well, sorry, If you want to spend time with your family or your friends, you know, like you're the family that you made you found family Just order in like or like, order Chinese or order pizza. You know, like you're the family that you made your found family Just order in or like order Chinese or order pizza or olive garden. You know I do love Thanksgiving food. Thanksgiving food like is like, because we've just been doing the vegan thing like since I moved out here. Oh my God, are you guys vegan.
Speaker 1:We're going to have a vegan counter. For how many times vegan has been said?
Speaker 2:It's like we're at four, so I'm not vegan but they're vegan and other vegans sometimes do the vegan things with the vegan Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1:Oh, did you have a vegan Thanksgiving? That's really Vegan.
Speaker 2:Thanksgiving vegan, vegan Thanksgiving. Oh, did you have a vegan Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1:That's really vegan Thanksgiving vegan.
Speaker 2:Vegan Thanksgiving. Oh, we were gonna actually talk about something. Huh yeah, I mean this is great, I don't know. I kind of like I was gonna say at the beginning I was like, oh, we should have just named this show instead of I Need a Nap, it should have just been like beige food.
Speaker 1:But it was the. I Need a Nap, because one of the things that we've noticed, especially as we become adults, is that the holidays are only magical because of the work being put into it by the adults, and usually the adult women, by the adults and usually the adult women. And as your kid, you have no idea what a pain in the ass it is to make all this happen, happen smoothly and like again, make sure that keep it together so your kids have a nice holiday, because that's really what they're going to remember, and so you can't have a meltdown when you burn your hand on the oven. You have to go upstairs and scream into a pillow yeah. And then you grow up and you realize that no one else is going to make it magical. That's your job because you're the grownup. And then it sucks and you're exhausted and also you had to work the day before Thanksgiving so you didn't get to do any of it ahead of time.
Speaker 2:It reminds me of my co-worker pretty recently was talking about getting a dog for the kids and they were always a cat person. But she said, like I had dogs growing up, but I'm really a cat person, but my kids really wanted a dog. And I was like, oh, I had dogs growing up, like I know how to do this, you know. And then they got a dog and she was like, oh, when I had a dog, my parents took care of it. She's like I'm the adult now, I'm the parent, now it's my responsibility and I hate it and it sucks.
Speaker 1:She's like no, and then also the criticism that comes with children being children, like I don't really like this and you just have to be like, oh, sanna will do better next year. Oh my gosh, that's another super fun thing. Have you ever said that? Probably. And then I just gave up and I was like you know what? Santa's not getting the credit my turn. So when she asked like is santa not real?
Speaker 2:I was like yeah, pretty much just my siblings ruined that for me of course they did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course they did.
Speaker 2:You were the baby we had a babysitter on christmas eve one time and my siblings set up a camera like a camcorder to try to like catch santa, but like I think they really actually did get the babysitter putting presents down because, like I think nobody knew oh that's so sad.
Speaker 1:I remember being little and realizing that my mom's handwriting and santa's handwriting were the same. Yeah, and I was like, oh no, I feel like I had a forensic analyzer. Yeah, yeah, you're like.
Speaker 2:Can we get a handwriting expert in here, please?
Speaker 1:I need to know who I need to send this thank you card to, for sure I think I was six, because we were learning how to read cursive and I were like I remember reading my mom's cursive and like being able read it and it's like oh no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same cursive. Yeah, my mom's handwriting is so recognizable. I feel like she made my dad be Santa in written form.
Speaker 1:Em tried to get me for a long time. She'd ask really pointed questions and I finally was just like you know what, I give up. So I just because she was little too, but she had that figured out. She has too many good questions, yeah, so anyway, so the magic of the holidays, it's all a facade.
Speaker 1:All a facade. You're so tired and you have to do it every year, but okay. So there was a TikTok and she was talking about like I don't want to go to my family's stuff this year, but okay. So there was a TikTok and she was talking about like I don't want to go to my family's stuff this year. Her username on TikTok is T-A-L-L-E-Y. She said she was talking to her stepmom about this and like they're going to be upset if I don't go. And her stepmom said sounds like you don't love yourself as much as you love everybody else and you're not as concerned about you being happy as you are about other people being happy. I was like, oh, that makes a lot. Like why don't you give yourself the same Consideration and care and love? She's like also, they'll still be your family. I never thought about it like that. But yeah, that's why we don't go home. Like that's why I mean, would love to see them, but I'm not flying home during thanksgiving and they can be sad about it.
Speaker 1:I would much rather not and not feel crazy for five days in a row and not be at home with the comfort of your own toilet to poop in so correct, correct, but that was a really good point, and I I think there's a lot of guilt around the holidays and people are so used to feeling guilted, yeah, and then it's just that excess burden of having to keep your shit together and travel and see your grandma, who's so happy to see you, but also you really are tired or like having to see grandparents you know that are like not doing well, or family members that are not doing well.
Speaker 1:That can be really hard or just like family members you don't get along with, or weird family members, or like creepy family especially that uncle. Family members who you have to fight with about, like trump or whatever about, and then you're just like I just want to eat and leave and I don't want to fight and then you've like, muddied the holiday right. So sometimes it's like let's preserve yeah, listening to your grandparents describe your sister's girlfriend as her, her special friend literally her special friend, her special friend.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I don't know dude are you funny, have you? Have you found a new guy?
Speaker 1:oh, my grandpa would always tell me oh, you look like you've lost weight, good for you oh, like dude, I wasn't even thinking about that.
Speaker 2:Yes, the big one, the, just the weight shaming and the body shaming like and and people who? That's my policy, man, first of all, like you, don't. If you ever have the urge to talk about somebody else's body out loud to anyone, you need to stop yourself and listen to our voices and don't fucking know that someone else's body is not your business. Why would you comment on it? You don't want.
Speaker 2:I know and I know your body and it's like so it's so traumatic he was a former big big guy and so I know like he was a former big guy, so like that was his I don't know encouragement, but I just remember being like, oh no, I can't I remember a time when, like, I had lost a bunch of weight and probably in my 20s and I didn't see my grandpa super often, but maybe like once or twice a year at that time and I saw him for the first time in maybe like a year and and he was like oh, you look so good, you look so good. You know what I mean, and like I know people think like that's a good thing to do is to tell someone that they look good because they are smaller. But that isn't the case for a lot of people. And also by telling them that, you're also telling them that they didn't look as great or they didn't look very great in a bigger body or where that's a, it's like the valid, where your value lies.
Speaker 1:The only objectification I do buy into is my grandmother flirted with rob like she would pinch him on the ass when he walked by and she would like giggle. I'm sorry, your grandmother would flirt with my grandmother. Yes, she would flirt with him so hard and she pinched him on the butt so much what wait?
Speaker 2:what did rob do? I'm trying to picture rob's face, so uncomfortable he was so sweet about it.
Speaker 1:He was sweet with her and it was like he had every right. Sorry, I was going to go through the car, but he was sweeter about it. I'm so sorry, but yeah, that's the only oh god objectification I approve of in this household is only with rob.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say, if somebody's objectifying, your husband exactly so, yeah, keeping your shit together.
Speaker 1:I don't know also and I know your sister-in-law was saying too like the other thing about the holidays that you really don't want to do is if you're in a situation where either you're unemployed or like you just got laid off, or, I don't know, like you don't like your work. If I mean, people just kind of go to the default, like what do you do? And you're like, okay, I have to figure out how to talk about the thing that is burning me out in a way that's not going to sound like doom and gloom, right exactly you don't want to talk about work, you don't want to talk about your weight, you don't want to talk about your dating life, all the things that you're constantly thinking about on your own already and that's what like.
Speaker 2:That's what like older people like want to know, I think, too many soap operas when they were, when they were our age, you know, know.
Speaker 1:But I found the trick. If you have a friend who's had surgery recently, or you can ask them about people at their church, or you can ask them who is currently dealing with a medical issue, and that completely skips the conversation away. Medical issues, they love it. Grandma, how was your last doctor's appointment? Oh my god, it is the best deflection I have ever found in my life and I shamelessly use it to my advantage every time.
Speaker 2:Well, first of all they had to reschedule me, huh, because I came in on the wrong day. Yes, yes. And then, oh my gosh, I had to, I had to wait. I had to wait for 32 minutes in that waiting because I came in on the wrong day. Yes, yes, and then, oh my gosh, I had to wait for 32 minutes in that waiting room. 32, probably 32 and a half.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, because they time you and also you have to ask around the prayer list at church because that's also the good gossip. And so then you get the full rundown of like whose granddaughter is on drugs. That's how you get the full rundown of like whose granddaughter is on drugs.
Speaker 2:That's how you get the gossip. You say like hey, like who's on the who's on the prayer list, tell me about it, tell me about the prayer list.
Speaker 1:You don't have to talk about you or anything you don't want to. Who are we praying? Or you just answer I'm your other answer for like what do you do is just I'm an accountant and that's it. That's the no one cares because that's boring and involves math and no further questions. I know somebody's going to ask something, though I feel like this is going to sound very like not all men what I'm about to say, but I do want to point out that, like rob helps with like the gifts and the wrapping and putting them out, which, no, you know what I don't. That's fine. I know my dad, my dad cleaned up and like hung up christmas decorations, but like I don't know how much he was involved with like the other stuff, and so I do appreciate like I had to ask, but like I finally had to be like I hate this, I need help.
Speaker 1:But that's messed up, though, because then you're yeah like he helps during the holidays and like that I know a lot of times wasn't something that happens.
Speaker 2:It's not and the weird thing is like I mean, even in the most liberal families or liberal family gatherings sometimes it's like that still happens, you know, yeah, and that's bonkers to me yeah, I.
Speaker 1:I think as we've gotten older it's hard because we want to do less for the holidays. But we have a kid and like she doesn't understand, like hey, we should do less. She wants the holiday fun and the excitement, so it's difficult.
Speaker 2:I feel like she's like like a year or two away from just being like I hate Christmas. Christmas is the worst, that's true. Why would we celebrate? And then you can be like and then not celebrate Christmas?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been. It's just been hard. We're both exhausted and there are no other adults. We are the adults.
Speaker 2:I'm a sucker Like I love Halloween and I love Christmas. Growing up I did I hated Christmas, because I was always the most depressed around Christmas, and that's another thing that sucks like having to like pull yourself, not even out of a depression hole, but having to like take your little sleeping bag depression hole with you and like hop to your family gathering and that was a really weird analogy.
Speaker 1:I remember sending you a picture one Christmas of myself and I was so proud that I had put on pants to go to Christmas. I think this was during the pandemic, like it was the first year of the pandemic, yeah but I do like it now.
Speaker 2:Like it now I mean like there's still been years where, like I don't really want to celebrate christmas or I am like super depressed or I don't decorate, but overall, like I like decorating and I do have to say I've told her this a lot but mom I just she really made christmas very special for us and I don't know, even if maybe I'm the only child who felt that and appreciated that and liked that, I really appreciated it To this day my parents will not every single year, but most years, will like send me a box of like stocking stuffers all individually wrapped, as if I'm like eight years old and yeah, it's just the nostalgia of it and just like that was a tradition. You know, and I know a lot of people don't even wrap stocking gifts, so it's it's just always insane to me too that like she took the time she had to individually wrap like lip balms and like tiny whatever. But yeah, she always made it really special and really fun and so like as an adult now I do.
Speaker 1:There are years where it's not great, but overall I do. Like Christmas time, yeah, I remember my mom did the angel tree and I remember watching her and she went, she didn't just get them whatever they wanted, she got them what they wanted. And then some and I remember watching her like put together these gifts, like she would get them a tote bag and just fill it with what they wanted but other stuff for, like that age group. That really stuck with me for some reason. That was the above and beyond, yeah, and I just remember appreciating that effort that she took, even for people she didn't even know yeah so that's nice to moms.
Speaker 1:Did we just become a mommy podcast? Oh my god let's move on.
Speaker 2:What can we talk about?
Speaker 1:okay, butts um I'm sorry, my nose is running it's it's so cold here too, anyway. Oh, that's the other thing, because it's cold and dark and so like if you're eating and it's dark out during the holidays and it's like thanksgiving at 4 30, but it's nighttime, that's it just. That's also like well, I'm like so depressing did you, growing up, eat like?
Speaker 2:would you eat holiday meals at like, just like weird times like I think we would eat between like two and four.
Speaker 1:So yeah, between two and four.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just such like an odd time. So then, like you eat right, it's like this huge meal that you're having in the middle of the day, and then come 7 pm, you know you're like well, so I'm gonna make a second plate you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think the one thing we didn't talk about is like coping mechanisms during the holiday and kind of like what we do, seeing what other people do. Just either how do you get yourself through it, or are there any tips or tricks that you have, or just what do you what's your go-to?
Speaker 2:I think the number one is, if it's really going to negatively impact your mental health, don't go see family, don't go to the holiday party. I think that makes sense and I know people can feel guilty about that and maybe some family members or friends don't understand that, but sometimes that's just the best thing to do, and self-care and like taking care of ourselves is really hard.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, but yeah, especially, especially when everyone else seems like so happy, yeah, yeah, but I bet a lot of the people that seem happy to are really struggling. I think also like just doing as much as you can, but not, I guess not. I think sometimes it's okay if you have kids to like let them see you struggle a little bit I think it makes you human.
Speaker 2:I think doing what you can and as much as you can but I'm one to to talk, but like being aware of what your limits are and yeah, and literally just saying like we are gonna order pizza for christmas this year and honestly, like when I was a kid, you know, if that ever happened, we'd be like, yeah, let's order pizza for thanksgiving, let's order pizza for christmas and you can still have like great special memories without you having to be in the kitchen.
Speaker 1:But if that's because yeah, well, when you look back, it's like did I spend? Like, what are my memories being sweaty in the kitchen or like hanging out with my kid? Very true um rather just hang out like, yeah, same, that's what and that's what her memory is going to be like. Did my mom? Was my mom taking a nap because she was too tired?
Speaker 2:yeah, my mom and my sibling are are very alike in that they something happens and then they have to like clean it up right away. So we eat our meal and then, like before people, are you everyone's done, just start like cleaning up. And I get that, because they just want it to be done and they want it to be clean. But it like it bothers me. I've said to both of them at different times, like can you do that later? Like come sit down, like let's visit, yeah, let's hang out, because I feel like, yeah, it just kind of takes away from, but that's also just a personality trait that they have, that they like to do. So I get it, but I also I love you guys.
Speaker 2:I'm the one who I'll bring like a board game or a card game, and because it's like the only family I have here is my sibling, sister-in-law, and they don't play games, like they're not game people. They're not board game people. But I'll like still bring a game. I actually didn't this Thanksgiving, but I thought about like, oh, I should have brought something. So I always try to bring something like light and just be like hey, just in case, like we might play this, like we have.
Speaker 1:But I always try to bring a game and uno. Playing uno was great, especially when I was little, because, oh my god, if you want to see a kid melt down, hit him with two. Like draw twos in a row.
Speaker 2:I'm like, if you're gonna cry, you can't play with us yeah there's no crying but that is a hard thing to learn, like as a kid grows up, like mom and dad aren't always going to be the ones playing with you and like, maybe, letting you win.
Speaker 1:The holidays make me tired. I don't like them. But yeah, it's okay and it's normal, a lot of people have for different reasons.
Speaker 2:Like people have had, people die, you know, maybe around the holidays and it's the anniversary of a loved one's death. People, you know, maybe have an eating disorder and really struggle with body image and anytime they go to a meal meal it's even just like hard to eat in front of people, even if no one ever says anything about your body.
Speaker 1:There's just so many different reasons because they bring a dish where they mix cheese, pineapple and onions together. Yeah, that mormon curry tm. I feel like bad calling it curry also leaving, like setting early time, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Or like a code word with your partner. Okay, like we're gonna go over to my family's house or your family's house, but I'm only gonna be able to take it an hour and honestly, you feel guilty as you're going out the door if your grandma says something, but the second you're in that car going home.
Speaker 1:You're like you're like.
Speaker 2:You unbutton your pants. You take your bra off?
Speaker 1:yes, take your face off at home. Yes, watch a movie at home instead of just like having to come out home at like 10 and go right to bed, like you can unwind. Oh, and holidays multiple days in a row, yeah, especially if you have family in town, so you're like going to someone's house this and you're gonna see him the next day, and then my family also does the day after thanksgiving, where we all have to eat leftovers and it's just like I have seen you so much in the past.
Speaker 2:Go to one hour or none, but like go to just one, you don't have to go to everything, right?
Speaker 1:you don't have to see them every time, or even a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just we give you permission. So if your family says anything, just say like Jamie and Rebecca told me that I need to protect my mental health. Yep, maybe you should go to therapy and then come back to me and we can talk about it. I thought maybe we could end by talking about we were talking about this with alissa recently, but, like holiday movies, are there any like tradition hollywood or hollywood?
Speaker 1:holiday movies.
Speaker 2:I think die hard is my favorite christmas movie yeah I think we watch that at least every christmas yeah, I personally like the lord of the Rings trilogy extended edition. All three of them, that's definitely I don't know. It's like end of the year holiday movie for me.
Speaker 1:Cousin Walk. I'm sorry, we have to go back real quick. Cousin Walk, that's the other thing for burnout.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:The Cousin Walk.
Speaker 2:I never had this. I was not lucky enough to have this the cousin walk.
Speaker 1:I never had this. I was not lucky enough to have this, I didn't either, but I learned about it and so, like, if anyone out there can do this, please do. I am so jealous that I missed out on this. But you go for a cousin walk and then you have a great and genuinely do not discount the use of chemicals to enhance your enjoyment of that specific day, whether through a prescribed or self-prescribed situation.
Speaker 2:Or completely numb yourself to the entire gathering situation so that you can survive.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, the cousin walk. Oh, I'm very jealous of that, but the holidays are great when you have a, a dose of something, maybe even a micro dose of something, to, just you know, really enhance that experience. You aren't the harry potter person during the holidays, though, right, I know a lot of people like Harry Potter movies. I'm not a Harry Potter person.
Speaker 2:I'm just never a Harry Potter person.
Speaker 1:I'm not a Lord of the Rings person either. Well, thank you everyone for joining us today. I know we're all still in recovery post-Thanksgiving yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, best bullshitter is even better, honestly. So hang in there, seriously, like, say no. If you want to say no, say no. We always get so worried. Oh, go ahead, nice. They just say no to grandma. We always get so worried about what? Am I gonna tell them like I have to have a good reason. You, you know not to do this thing and it's like you know what you don't and some people might be pissed off about that, but you do not owe anyone a reason for not going to a holiday event or gathering. You just do you.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, we'll still be related to them later on. Take care of yourself. Thank you, guys. We will see you next week thanks for being with us. Take your meds hydrate, have a snack, get some Uncrustables and we shall see you later bye.
Speaker 2:the burnout collective is hosted by me, Jamie Young and me, Rebecca McCracken.
Speaker 1:You can find all our episodes plus show notes at burnoutcollectivecom.
Speaker 2:Follow the Discord link on our website to join the burnout community. You can also find us on TikTok and.
Speaker 1:Instagram. If you're interested in being a guest on a future episode or have questions or feedback, you can email us at podcast at burnoutcollectivecom.
